Is TinyForum a Solutions Design product? If so where can I find out more about it? If not, where'd you get it?

Thanks, Steve

I also wanted to buy the forum software but Otis said it is not for sale.

I wrote it back in 2002. It has some issues which make it hard to give away to others (among them a true LR(1) UBB parser generated with my LR(n) parser generator. Very cool for geek-dinners but hard to maintain ). The biggest part of the backend is still relying on old LLBLGen code (with procs, don't tell anyone ), with some additional parts with new LLBLGen Pro code. Some of the admin options are not implemented yet, so for us it's no problem, but for others it's not (that) useful.

If your interested there is a pretty good ASP.NET forum called "Yet Another Forum.Net" on SourceFourge. It worked well for me.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/yafdotnet/

I use the asp.net forum software, which works nicely for all our in-house arguments

MattWoberts wrote:

I use the asp.net forum software, which works nicely for all our in-house arguments

The v2 looks indeed very nice.

(v1 was not that good IMHO, the forum editor itself was lacking severily)

The yet another forum forum looks nice too, I didn't know this was available

I will go and have a look at "Yet Another Forum.Net".

I really like TinyForum, from a user perspective it is very clean and easy to understand. - To bad about the mangement side. Personally i dont care if it is using old LLBLGen or data adapters.

I had a look a while back at some free ASP, SQL Server forum software that Otis suggested but old ASP and me are not very good friends.

I have only been working with ASP for 6 months and i can't believe the way that ASP worked. I understand that old ASP was one of the first implementations of Business Logic in a website - But - You had to put your "Code" in the same place as HTML!! That means you could not really protect your software! And to be honest what a mess. Asp.Net is such a improvement.

wayne wrote:

I will go and have a look at "Yet Another Forum.Net".

I really like TinyForum, from a user perspective it is very clean and easy to understand. - To bad about the mangement side. Personally i dont care if it is using old LLBLGen or data adapters.

True, but if we give it away, people will have questions about it, which will give support issues (even if we add a BSD license to it ).

I had a look a while back at some free ASP, SQL Server forum software that Otis suggested but old ASP and me are not very good friends.

Snitz is very good though. What's important is that a forum is safe to have on a public box. Because I wrote it myself and because no-one has the sourcecode, I can be a little bit sure that it is safe. For a random public forum, I have to read every line of code. That's time consuming. Snitz is used on a lot of public servers, the security issues are weeded out for some time.

I have only been working with ASP for 6 months and i can't believe the way that ASP worked. I understand that old ASP was one of the first implementations of Business Logic in a website - But - You had to put your "Code" in the same place as HTML!! That means you could not really protect your software! And to be honest what a mess. Asp.Net is such a improvement.

hehe that's indeed true. However include files do solve the problem a bit (a bit, not a lot ).

I will go and have a look at "Yet Another Forum.Net".

OK, I downloaded it and took a peek.

It looks very good and has a nice installation process. Seems to be the same forum being used by the guys at www.Flesk.net.

Will spent more time looking at it tonight.

I have only been working with ASP for 6 months and i can't believe the way that ASP worked. I understand that old ASP was one of the first implementations of Business Logic in a website - But - You had to put your "Code" in the same place as HTML!! That means you could not really protect your software! And to be honest what a mess. Asp.Net is such a improvement. 

MS will go back to same old ASP days with ASP.NET v2. Code will be included in .aspx file, and .aspx.cs file is just an extended class from the .aspx. There will be extra work for you if you want to code separately. So be prepared.

uydo wrote:

MS will go back to same old ASP days with ASP.NET v2. Code will be included in .aspx file, and .aspx.cs file is just an extended class from the .aspx. There will be extra work for you if you want to code separately. So be prepared.

Erm, you can still use ASP.NET v2 without including any code in the .aspx file. The only change is that the codebehind file is now only a partial class. I don't see how thats going back to the days of ASP. Heck, you were still able to do spaghetti code in .NET 1.0-1.1. I developed http://www.chrisbower.com in .NET 2.0 Beta1 and did not find it to be any more work. (BTW, I was able to easily use LLBLGen Pro with .NET2 by compiling the project in VS.NET2K3 and then just importing the DLL into VWD Express)

The only change is that the codebehind file is now only a partial class

What does "partial class" execatly mean? What is the difference?

wayne wrote:

The only change is that the codebehind file is now only a partial class

What does "partial class" execatly mean? What is the difference?

Now, a class has to be defined in 1 file, you can't put a class in several files. With partial classes you can define a class which is spread over several files. This is extremely handy when designers and code generators generate parts of your class

Wayne, I'm still 50/50 in ASP/.NET here, been doing it now for 4 hard years - spare a thought for us

MattWoberts wrote:

Wayne, I'm still 50/50 in ASP/.NET here, been doing it now for 4 hard years - spare a thought for us

I did 2 years of pure VB.Net then suddenly got stuck with a contract doing 70% ASP and 30% C#.Net. On top of this i am also busy changing in to a 3 Tier App - mixing SProcs and LLBLGen.

I find it very difficult to follow logic in this app, as the Code section for some of these old ASP pages have all been converted to C# files but the old ASP and HTML lives in "Template" files that gets loaded at runtime - these "Template" files are the old ASP files - they contain sections coded in ASP, C#, VBScript and JavaScript and then it does XMLHTTP JScript in between aswell.

Well atleast it is not like that in all the pages...just some of it but if this system was a woman it would be a prostitute as it has been visited be almost all the web languages and technologies that i know.

f you have never seen spaggeti code then you must let me show you some of it.

Wayne, sounds like excellent http://www.TheDailyWTF.com material

I like the prostitiue comparison !!

This particular asp app has been constantly updated for 4+ years, so I know exactly what you mean - the code is EVERYWHERE!!!!! We've got ASP pages doing BLL logic, and VB Components doing presentation logic and spitting out html, its great fun

If this app was food it would surely be the largest bowl of spaghetti - stired for 4 years!!

Hm, it seems like we should have some time for .net v2! Does anybody have good articles/links about this? I found myself out of date already.

Uy.

uydo wrote:

Hm, it seems like we should have some time for .net v2! Does anybody have good articles/links about this? I found myself out of date already.

Uy.

I recommend just grabbing Visual Web Developer Express (its free) from MS and playing around with it. That was the whole reason I did http://www.chrisbower.com in ASP.NET V2. Well, that and the SiteMapProvider stuff is really friggin sweet.

(For those wondering, yes, thats my site. I'm a dabbling photographer on the side, although I wish it was my full time job )

Trig wrote:

uydo wrote:

MS will go back to same old ASP days with ASP.NET v2. Code will be included in .aspx file, and .aspx.cs file is just an extended class from the .aspx. There will be extra work for you if you want to code separately. So be prepared.

Erm, you can still use ASP.NET v2 without including any code in the .aspx file. The only change is that the codebehind file is now only a partial class. I don't see how thats going back to the days of ASP. Heck, you were still able to do spaghetti code in .NET 1.0-1.1. I developed http://www.chrisbower.com in .NET 2.0 Beta1 and did not find it to be any more work. (BTW, I was able to easily use LLBLGen Pro with .NET2 by compiling the project in VS.NET2K3 and then just importing the DLL into VWD Express)

I heard somewhere that the next version of vs.net will have an option to compile html (aspx) into the dll so that you only need to ship the dll and not the html pages. Will be one Huge dll i guess.

Is this fact or fiction?

wayne wrote:

I heard somewhere that the next version of vs.net will have an option to compile html (aspx) into the dll so that you only need to ship the dll and not the html pages. Will be one Huge dll i guess.

Is this fact or fiction?

Fact. You can use a commandline tool to do this, and it creates skeleton files for all of you aspx/ascx pages, etc. I haven't tried it yet, but I do know its possible.

Otis, you should realy think about finishing of the forum - putting it in a box and selling it Even if you have to employee somebody else to handle the forum software. I think it is great product.

I agree totally with what Eric said at http://www.llblgen.com/tinyforum/Messages.aspx?ThreadID=1436

It is simple and easy to use. I am using JustAnotherForum - it is nice, lots of features (Freakin buttons all over the place) - but it is not as easy to understand as TinyForum.

Everyone seems to love your forum system.

I'll re-consider it (probably open source, so it supports itself cough.)

probably open source, so it supports itself cough.)

Ha ha, - Just remove all refrences of Solution Design, Otis and FB - then nobody will know where it comes from - Unless you want the recognition - then you have to take the questions that come with that.