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Thread:  It is Friday!


wayne (User)   Posted on: 25-Jun-2004 14:52:44.
Hmm. It is Friday! and i assume there is soccer or some type of interesting sport on TV!Regular Smiley

Because this Forum is so very quiet...Tongue
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 25-Jun-2004 15:00:31.
It's 15:00, and you're already done for today? Wink Tongue

I'm glad I can breath for 2 seconds Wink

There is indeed soccer, but it's tonight, at 20:45: greece - france. I hope greece wins (sorry, french readers Wink). Tomorrow is the big match: The Netherlands - Sweden. Piece of cake of course for the orange boys Wink


wayne (User)   Posted on: 25-Jun-2004 15:14:57.
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It's 15:00, and you're already done for today?


He, he.. I wish.
I have been updating/writing help files for the last 2-3 weeks. And i am sooooo bored with it.

Programming is much more fun - Every now an again i find myself investigating some code...

I am not much of a soccer fan.. But since we got the World Cup for 2010 i have been paying more attention to soccer...Still have to figure out the rulesRegular Smiley Did the Netherlands not lose pretty badly last weekend?Wink

Rugby is much more interesting... tomorrow it is South Africa vs Wales(me bit worried!) - we kicked Irelands butt last weekendRegular Smiley although our back line sucked - SA usually has strong forwards and bad backline..they just can't seem to catch a ball and run at the same time...The forwards usually win the game for us.

netclectic (User)   Posted on: 25-Jun-2004 15:26:03.
Otis wrote:
Tomorrow is the big match: The Netherlands - Sweden. Piece of cake of course for the orange boys Wink

Yesterday was the big match!

What a day yesterday was - i went to see Bob Dylan play possibly his best gig since 1966 in one of the best small rock venues in the uk - the Glasgow Barrowlands Ballroom. Rocktastic!! Bob was in sizzling form, certainly one to remember.

Then after the gig, i start to receive text updates about the football -

  • 1-0 to england
  • 1-1
  • disallowed england goal
  • extra-time
  • 2-1 to portugal
  • 2-2
  • penalties


At this stage we run to the nearest pub just in time to see Beckham miss the first england penalty, the pub is in uproar (this is Glasgow remember, not many england supporters here Wink)

  • 0-0: Beckham blazes over
  • 1-0: Deco scores
  • 1-1: Owen scores
  • 2-1: Simao scores
  • 2-2: Lampard scores
  • 2-2: Rui Costa misses
  • 2-3: Terry scores
  • 3-3: Cristiano Ronaldo scores
  • 3-4: Hargreaves scores
  • 4-4: Maniche scores
  • 4-5: Ashley Cole scores
  • 5-5: Helder Postiga scores
  • 5-5: Vassell's kick is saved
  • 6-5: Goalkeeper Ricardo wins it


Wow! What a night!! Cool

Netherlands - Sweden should be a good game though.


alexdresko (User)   Posted on: 25-Jun-2004 15:47:00.
wayne wrote:
Hmm. It is Friday! and i assume there is soccer or some type of interesting sport on TV!Regular Smiley

Because this Forum is so very quiet...Tongue


Well, with a great deal of help from LLBLGen, I'm sitting in a VERY comfortable chair this lovely (though rainy) Friday morning! Thanks everyone for helping me out over the past couple of weeks!

And no sports tonight... it's all about the bar..
wayne (User)   Posted on: 25-Jun-2004 15:52:07.
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And no sports tonight... it's all about the bar..


About a year and a half ago - i worked in a little town called Buxton in the UK.

It is such a small town - could walk from the one side to the other in 15 minutes - But there was 52 pubs in that little town!Shocked 1 for every week of the year! Gee.. the people in the UK must love there pubsWink

Its 16:00 - 1 hour to go...Regular Smiley Drinks anyone?... Beer's on meTongue


netclectic (User)   Posted on: 25-Jun-2004 16:03:07.
wayne wrote:
Gee.. the people in the UK must love there pubsWink

Never a truer word spoken!

Glasgow has some 500 or so pubs Regular Smiley
At the moment you will find 383 of them listed on pubutopia
wayne (User)   Posted on: 25-Jun-2004 16:06:17.
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Never a truer word spoken!

I can almost hear your accentRegular Smiley

Ssshhhhhhh, Mmm the beer tastes great...TongueRegular Smiley


jeffreygg (User)   Posted on: 25-Jun-2004 19:04:34.
You all suck... It's still 10:00 here. I appreciate the consistent torture every Friday. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy... And, by the way, I thought the U.S. was the only place that called it soccer?

Jeff...
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 25-Jun-2004 20:06:26.
jeffreygg wrote:
You all suck... It's still 10:00 here. I appreciate the consistent torture every Friday. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy... And, by the way, I thought the U.S. was the only place that called it soccer?
Jeff...

Heh Regular Smiley Here we call it 'voetbal', but soccer is the overall term everybody understands I think (my wife calls it 'sucker' hehe, she's not a fan of the sport Wink).

(I'll now try some of that Polish beer my neighbour brougth home from his holiday)


wayne (User)   Posted on: 25-Jun-2004 20:25:27.
hmmm...I just came back from a restuarant - There is nothing nicer than a nice juicy piece of steak stuffed with muscles and coverd in white wine source...WinkWink

Oh ya...And BEER!!

Don't you just love Fridays!Wink or should we call in Jeff's day?

PS - We call soccer - sokker or voetbal or e-football. - Depending on your language of choice...

In the main black language here Xhosa - you just add 'e' in front off all english words if there is no native word for it....

Like e-coffee, e-email(Yeh! beleive it) and e-motocar...
alexdresko (User)   Posted on: 25-Jun-2004 21:49:50.
Here is the US, we just get confused when different countries start talking about their beloved soccer.

swallace (User)   Posted on: 25-Jun-2004 22:04:31.
Baseball for me. Those New York Yankees are going to beat up the New York Mets tonight. I'll be building a new computer for myself while I watch, so I best not have a beer with the game!
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 25-Jun-2004 22:36:16.
heh Regular Smiley Indeed Regular Smiley
if(beer)
{
ComputerFunction(Quality.Microsoft);
}
Wink

Btw, Greece beat France. Laugh (for the people who know what soccer is: france is like the LA Lakers, and Greece is like that other gang who won the NBA Regular Smiley)


jeffreygg (User)   Posted on: 25-Jun-2004 23:49:35.
Otis wrote:
heh Regular Smiley Indeed Regular Smiley
if(beer)
{
ComputerFunction(Quality.Microsoft);
}
Wink


Heh... et tu, Brutus? Where's the love, Mr. MVP? Wink Wink

Jeff...
wayne (User)   Posted on: 25-Jun-2004 23:53:24.
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Where's the love, Mr. MVP?


Yeah.. it seem like Mr. MVP? is actually a rebel!Wink

Maybe he is a ruthless anti microsoft klingon programmer in disguise.Wink


Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 26-Jun-2004 00:08:19.
haha Laugh
Actually, they made me MVP because I'm critical, they want that. Laugh

It's not that odd, the more critizism they get, with arguments, the better their products will become (which is the point of the critizism of course Wink) Regular Smiley
wayne (User)   Posted on: 26-Jun-2004 00:14:57.
Hey, Otis what are you still doing up?

Gee, we can't even chat behind his back, he is always around!Wink

Just want to inform everybody that it is now SATERDAY!!!


Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 26-Jun-2004 00:39:30.
Yeah, I'm off now Regular Smiley

Indeed saturday today, the BIG day Regular Smiley Netherlands- Sweden. Regular Smiley
jeffreygg (User)   Posted on: 26-Jun-2004 00:57:27.
wayne wrote:

Just want to inform everybody that it is now SATERDAY!!!



Noooo, it's Friday, 16:00 and I'm still at work. And if I ever meet you, Wayne, we're gonna have words. Wink

Jeff...


wayne (User)   Posted on: 26-Jun-2004 18:44:50.
WE WON, WE WON, WE WON!!!LaughRegular Smiley

SA 53
Wales 18

Strange...our backline managed to catch the balls today!?

What a hidding!..53-18

What happend in the macth between Netherlands- Sweden?
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 26-Jun-2004 19:26:53.
The match is tonight, in 2 hours. Regular Smiley

Should I remove the 'oops' posting? Laugh (too much beer isn't good for ya, Wayne Wink)


wayne (User)   Posted on: 27-Jun-2004 11:02:52.
Hey!, Otis you should atleast tell us that Holland won.!

Euro: Sweden vs Holland : Quarter Final
Regular Time:
Sweden 0-0 Holland
Overtime:
Sweden 0-0 Holland
Penalty Shoot-Out to decide winner
Van der Saar Saves Holland!
Holland win penalty shoot-out.
Sweden 4-5 Holland
Sweden OUT of Euro 2004

I hope this report is correct?

I know that soccer is a type of religion up there in Europe - so if you think this message might make enemies, then rather remove it.
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 27-Jun-2004 11:16:50.
yeah we won Regular Smiley But it was horrible HORRIBLE to watch. Each individual in our team earns a couple of million euro's a year (at least, some over 10 million) and they were simply UNABLE to kick the ball to a team mate. As if there were 11 Frans Bouma's playing for us (I have absolutely no talent for soccer Wink). The swedes weren't better, but they also aren't as highly payed...

When the penalty shoot out started I really believed we would fail. We did that 3 times in a row already in previous tournaments. So overall we were very lucky yesterday, it was horrible to watch, but very exciting at the same time Regular Smiley

My personal favorite is Portugal though (next to Holland of course Wink) and we have to play against them next on wednesday. Would have been a great final...


netclectic (User)   Posted on: 28-Jun-2004 11:24:49.
You guys seem to be the ultimate on/off team. You either play brilliantly or terribly, there is no in between, e.g. Scotland 1 - Holland 0 followed by Holland 6 - Scotland 1


Holland v Czech Replublic

now that will be a final worth seeing, if it's anywhere near as good a match as the last game.



p.s. it's monday now Angry
wayne (User)   Posted on: 28-Jun-2004 14:49:42.
Is Holland a good soccer team? In the Top 3?

Don't know much about soccer...or the teams.


netclectic (User)   Posted on: 28-Jun-2004 15:01:41.
wayne wrote:
Is Holland a good soccer team? In the Top 3?

Don't know much about soccer...or the teams.

Holland should be one of the top teams, they always manage to produce a plethora (good word for a monday Regular Smiley) of top players but they regularly fail to impress as a team. Holland and Spain both are perennial (another good word for a monday Laugh) under achievers.
wayne (User)   Posted on: 28-Jun-2004 15:16:58.
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Holland should be one of the top teams

The next logical question should be - Who are the top soccer teams then?

netclectic - Don't you watch any rugby? Scotland also has a rugby team as far as i know...don't know if Holland has a rugby team.

England, Wales and Ireland are strong rugby teams...why not scotland?


netclectic (User)   Posted on: 28-Jun-2004 15:29:38.
wayne wrote:
The next logical question should be - Who are the top soccer teams then?

The balance of power (in Europe anyway) seems to be changing... most recently France, usually Germany, occassionally England. A lot of the "eastern block" countries are coming to prominence. It seems to be far more of a lttery now than it has been in recent times which definitly makes it more exciting for the neutral, which sadly Scotland seems to be all too often.

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netclectic - Don't you watch any rugby? Scotland also has a rugby team as far as i know...don't know if Holland has a rugby team.

Yes, not much to shout about recently though. I used to play, until a motorbike accident put an end to that, open side wing forward.
wayne (User)   Posted on: 28-Jun-2004 16:05:56.
Outch!...to much beer i think?

Last played in highschool - Number 7 Wing Forward until i found in my last year that i was better in chess...(Nerd).

WARNING NERD ALERT:
Started playing chess in beginning grade 12. - Got province colours in July of the same year.(Why did i play rugby all of those other years!!!)

I think that SA should be rated 3rd in the world with rugby - although this website puts us 4th. http://www.image.co.nz/aqb/rugby_ratings.html I also noticed that this website puts New Zealand first? - bit suspicious if you look at the domain (.co.nz)

I think it is more like:
1. Australia
2. New Zealand
3. South Africa
4. England / France
...

Holland Rugby?



netclectic (User)   Posted on: 28-Jun-2004 16:50:47.
wayne wrote:
Outch!...to much beer i think?

Too many stoopid drivers on the road! this particular one was an italian on holiday.

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Last played in highschool - Number 7 Wing Forward until i found in my last year that i was better in chess...(Nerd).

WARNING NERD ALERT:
Started playing chess in beginning grade 12. - Got province colours in July of the same year.(Why did i play rugby all of those other years!!!)

I went the other way, i used to play chess in school until i found i was better at rugby Regular Smiley I always wore the No. 7 shirt when i played for West of Scotland, one of the oldest club rugby sides. I still have my old club shirt with the 7 on the back Wink

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Holland Rugby?

i know they have some club rugby sides, can't say i've ever seen their national team (or if they have one).
MattWoberts (User)   Posted on: 29-Jun-2004 10:56:56.
2 comments:

1. Please don't mention the words "euro" and "2004" again. It causes great upset!

2. Wayne - Buxton is a great place, did you try the water Wink



netclectic (User)   Posted on: 29-Jun-2004 12:06:38.
MattWoberts wrote:
Please don't mention the words "euro" and "2004" again. It causes great upset!

So you wouldn't want me to direct you to the Strawberry's Euro 2004 'Eng-er-land' Songs?
wayne (User)   Posted on: 29-Jun-2004 12:33:04.
MattWoberts wrote:
2. Wayne - Buxton is a great place, did you try the water Wink
Yes i did - they have their own spring water or something...But if you look at the amount of Pubs in the place you might think it is a Beer Spring.Regular Smiley

I was in Buxton during spring...It snowed!! can you beleive it?
The George Pub was my favourite place...nice warm fire, warm people and lots of different beers.

On a sadder note - We had to run for our life's a couple of times...We found out the hard way that we South African's where not allways welcome there...especially if you beat the guys at pool and billiards.

First it was you should stop killing blacks! - Then it was - You rassist bastards - what team do you support?(This was the main one to worry about - anything you said ended in a fight.) - Where are you from? Any of those two phrases caused us to get out of the place as quickly as possible. Dissapointed

The day before i had to leave my friend and i got assualted by a bunch of teenagers!!! - They refered to us as - Bloody Spaniards!!! But the police was there in 2 minutes and they where very helpfull. I guess you find that type of thing everywhere...Dissapointed

But i liked buxton. - Overall a nice place.Regular Smiley Also been to Manchester, Stockport, London and think Black Pool(or something like that)

My younger brother is currently working in a Corus Hotel in scotland as a assistant resturant manager...making lots of money....


wayne (User)   Posted on: 30-Jun-2004 12:01:45.
I hope you guys don't that i am bad mouthing the UK.

The place was great except for those few incidents...

Lets change the subject.Wink

It's Wednesday to day! we are halfway to friday!!
netclectic (User)   Posted on: 30-Jun-2004 12:42:59.
wayne wrote:
I hope you guys don't that i am bad mouthing the UK.

The place was great except for those few incidents...

Shit happens... me and a few mates on holiday in the norfolk broads had to run for our lives from a bunch of "Saddam Hussein t-shirt wearing punk head cases" after we whipped them at pool in their local pub. It was worth it though Regular Smiley


MattWoberts (User)   Posted on: 30-Jun-2004 14:20:27.
Footy:
We all know "we was robbed", lets just leave it there Wink I'm not that bothered actually, I find it amusing that at work the next day everyone was depressed and in a state of shock!

Buxton:
Hmm, sounds like you met some of the resident "townies" - they seem to get around! I've been a few times to buxton, and it was nice when I was there, I guess with it being a small town some of the bored locals like to act like morons!

I'm living in Lancaster, which is quite near BlackPool !! Its a much nicer place than blackpool though, wouldn't want to associate myself with that place ;-) Its near the lake distirict, kind of!

Anyway, back to work trying to repair a PC that decided to BSOD me every time I turn it on....
wayne (User)   Posted on: 30-Jun-2004 22:52:53.
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mm, sounds like you met some of the resident "townies"

It happened on the corner of the Hotel between the two parks - in the same street as the Opra House and the george pub - me and pal was on our way home at 0:00 after having a nice vists at the Palace Hotel (I think that is what it is called) - I remembered that we were running for out lives - they caught up and pushed me over the bonet of Merc SLK. My friend was wined, beered up - so he was not much of a runner at that stage...he experienced first hand what a soccer ball feels like.-beleive me it was teenagers +- 15 of them, there was even girls with them.Shhh feels shitty to say that we got beaten up by a bunch of teenages.



Speaking about soccerballs....Holland Vs Portugal!Regular Smiley

Who will come out of this victorious?Tongue

Can you feel the presure?Wink


wayne (User)   Posted on: 01-Jul-2004 12:54:22.
Did you guys see that game! Holland Vs Portugal!

It was excellent...Never new that soccer can be so tense!
Portugal has some very young energetic players. It turned out that Portugal was the winners...

netclectic (User)   Posted on: 01-Jul-2004 12:56:39.
wayne wrote:
It turned out that Portugal was the winners...

Yeah, commiserations to Holland (again).

You should have seen the Holland v Czech game earlier in the tournament, possibly the best game of the tournament so far.


wayne (User)   Posted on: 02-Jul-2004 09:50:27.
This might be getting boring, childish and stupid but i tought that i will just remind every one that is still stuck in my past... IT'S FRIDAY today.Tongue

Cape Town is a cool 12'c with 60% rain expected...

wayne (User)   Posted on: 02-Jul-2004 14:48:48.
Have you seen Delphi 8 .Net!?

Downloaded a trial version.
What have they done to the Old IDE!??

Multi color toolbox??, Funny Object Inspector. And the window form designed is now just as bad as microsofts!!

I really like'd the old tabbed toolbar and form designer better.

But the new IDE does have a more cleaner feel to it that the existing vs.net IDE. - Think it is because their is fewer toolbars on the top section. - Yes i know i can take some of them away.

I have heard alot of reports about it is bug ridden. But have not seen any bugs yet - but i have also not been putting it to work.

I am very happy to see that they kept the 'T' prefix in front of all their classes. That was something that really pissed me off when i started with vs.net - What is a class type and what is a object.

Does take ages to load though..Slower to load that Delphi 5 & 6 combined.


netclectic (User)   Posted on: 02-Jul-2004 14:56:19.
wayne wrote:
What have they done to the Old IDE!??

Yeah, i was disappointed when i saw it Angry

Maybe there'll be a GExperts that will fix it Regular Smiley
wayne (User)   Posted on: 02-Jul-2004 15:15:25.
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Maybe there'll be a GExperts that will fix it
What? Confused

netclectic, have you looked at the HTML that it produces yet? Is it any better than the HTML from vs.net?

PLEASE NO!!Shocked THEY ARE STILL SHIPPING THE BDE!! Can you beleive it!!!Shocked The BDE has been retired 2 years ago already! NO!, NO PLEASE, NO MORE PARADOX!!!

Don't know if it is possible, but just imagine....Asp.net, BDE & Paradox. What a nightmare!!ShockedWink


netclectic (User)   Posted on: 02-Jul-2004 16:03:56.
wayne wrote:
Quote:
Maybe there'll be a GExperts that will fix it
What? Confused

http://www.gexperts.org/

GExperts a very handy delphi ide add in.

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netclectic, have you looked at the HTML that it produces yet? Is it any better than the HTML from vs.net?

I haven't really played with it much, installed it, had a quick look but not had a chance to have a good play with it yet.

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PLEASE NO!!Shocked THEY ARE STILL SHIPPING THE BDE!! Can you beleive it!!!Shocked The BDE has been retired 2 years ago already! NO!, NO PLEASE, NO MORE PARADOX!!!

You mean you wont be celebrating paradox day?
wayne (User)   Posted on: 02-Jul-2004 16:19:56.
Nah, rather try these days: In that order..

1. http://www.plasticbag.org/archives/2000/05/antimicrosoft_day.shtml
2. http://www.delphiedintorni.it/geoxml/delphiday
3. http://www.linux.it/LinuxDay/


swallace (User)   Posted on: 04-Jul-2004 19:34:29.
I'll take a moment to use this wayward thread to wish the continued blessings of liberty on the United States of America, celebrating today her 228th year of independence. Even when standing alone may she always do what is right and just.

In 1812, British troops repaid us a visit. The troops stormed into the white house, sat down and ate the still-warm meal that president James Madison had abandon in his hasty retreat. The troops then burned the white house, and also burned down the Library of Congress, which, at the time, consisted mostly of Thomas Jefferson's personal collection.

Last year, in a speech to our congress, British Prime Minister Tony Blair, in reference to the burning of the Library of Congress said, "Um, sorry about that."

Regardless of your personal politics, all our nations have the same goal: A peace in the world that allows the free exchange of ideas, commerce, and taunts about soccer (football). Time will heal our differences.

May God bless these United States.

Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 04-Jul-2004 19:50:53.
I'd only wish that the people in the US will watch Moore's movie and understand that what Clinton did was peanuts compared to what Bush and friends have done when it comes to doing things the law of the US forbid you to do.

(but I hope you'll have a nice holiday, Scott Regular Smiley)


swallace (User)   Posted on: 04-Jul-2004 22:07:18.
Nah, we're all munching popcorn and watching Spiderman!

[singing...] Spiderman! Spiderman! He can do what a spider can! [Ok, stop singing]

Spiderman for president! WooHoo!

Tongue

wayne (User)   Posted on: 04-Jul-2004 22:52:22.
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I'll take a moment to use this wayward thread
This is a great thread!

Watched the final's for Euro 2004.
All i can say is WOW!Regular Smiley

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doing things the law of the US forbid you to do.
Hmmm.....I think i should rather keep my feelings on this subject to myself.

Then there is also they problem with the South African government that does not want to do anything about the Zimbabwe crissis!!....


Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 05-Jul-2004 10:09:43.
swallace wrote:
Nah, we're all munching popcorn and watching Spiderman!

[singing...] Spiderman! Spiderman! He can do what a spider can! [Ok, stop singing]

Spiderman for president! WooHoo!
Tongue

Spider who? Wink

You'll like this great cartoon:
http://cagle.slate.msn.com/politicalcartoons/pccartoons/archives/thompson.asp?Action=GetImage

(get the image of 6/25/2004 Regular Smiley)
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 05-Jul-2004 10:17:34.
wayne wrote:
Quote:
I'll take a moment to use this wayward thread
This is a great thread!

Watched the final's for Euro 2004.
All i can say is WOW!Regular Smiley

Yeah greece won, which was totally unexpected, but nevertheless great! Regular Smiley I like Greece very much, and the greek are totally nuts about soccer so this will keep them happy for a while hehe Regular Smiley

Quote:

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doing things the law of the US forbid you to do.
Hmmm.....I think i should rather keep my feelings on this subject to myself.
Then there is also they problem with the South African government that does not want to do anything about the Zimbabwe crissis!!....

In general, the world seems to forget about the misery that's going on on the African continent, oh, of course not when it comes to selling arms to those who fight or when it comes to pollute whole cities because of the oil they can get out of the ground (Shell in Nigeria).

Sad, really. In a wicked way I can understand why the SA government is reluctant to step into the conflict that's going on in Zimbabwe. Years ago the fascist government of SA (the bota clan) invaded Angola if I'm not mistaken without any effect. I think the SA government is afraid it will only escalate the conflict more, will run the risk that the same will happen in SA and it has already one of the most violent states on the planet to govern, so more than enough problems at home... not that anyone helps of course, after all, it's africa so why should a western country care? Dissapointed The EU is also one of the biggest causes of misery in africa, with their dumping of farm products for redicilus prices so local farmers can't compete and go belly up...


wayne (User)   Posted on: 05-Jul-2004 10:49:58.
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Years ago the fascist government of SA (the bota clan)

BothaWink
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invaded Angola if I'm not mistaken without any effect.
Yah that was a funny sinario - America gave assistance (Money & Weapons) to SA to sort the problem out - Cuba, Russia backed Angola. South Africa was forced to pull out due to political reasons. South Africa lost a province (South West) that became Namibia.

Namibia is also starting to take land from white farmers!!! What is going on? Do they want to starf their own people? If they want to take land atleast show the new occupants of the farms how to farm!!!

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and it has already one of the most violent states on the planet to govern

I have to say that what people are seeing on TV and what is actually happening at home are two seperate things. I was in Europe 1-2 years ago - there's alot of propaganda on the TV in Europe and UK. - It is not that BAD, yes there are poor people living in Zink houses but all countries have rich, middle and poor locations....Just to bad that the poor people are their own worst enemies.

If they are no happy with something - then they burn their own schools down? The government gives them propper houses to stay in and what do they do? They go and sell it!!Shocked! Huh? Stupid!
But the government just has to keep on supplying...
The AIDS problem - The government gives them condoms - they don't use it - because it's against their traditions - must touch the womans blood! - blood against blood! - or they wear 1 condom permenantly but cut the tip of to go to the toilet - then still expect it to work!! Even beleive that sleeping with a virgin will take AIDS away! - Just a lack of education i guess, But this will come right in the next 10 years or so. I must say that the previouse gov commmit a horrible sin against these people.
Then there is also our President that does not beleive that HIV causes AIDS - So he does not want to give out anti-HIV drugs!!! I sometimes wish that Mandela could rule again - He is a very wise man - but to old for that responsibilities.

Some people that i chated to in Euro/UK did not even know that there was proper cities with electricity in SA. They asked me - How can you be a programmer? Where do you get electrisity? All they see are the townships and rural areas on TV - Some people think that Lion's, leapards, elephants, Crocodiles and Rhino's are walking around us - think we live in the jungleLaugh!! Haha - the closest lion from here is propably 1500 km away!LaughLaugh Tourrists come here and are very dissapointed - they ask "Where are the elephants? - Where are the lions?" They expect the black people to still walk around in their traditional clothes with lion skins and ostrich feathers. If you see that in SA then you must know that you are being taken for a ride. The only people in SA still wearing tradition clothes made out of skins are the Bush men from the Khalahari and the Zulu King.

Coming back to the Zimbabwe story.
I don't think SA has the military power to take on a campaign at the momment and as Otis sayd it is propably saver to stay out of it.
The goverment is using the money for better things like housing, education, infrastructure...oh ja and personal gain (Corruption)Wink Conscription has been done away with aswell - Thank God, I don't want to go to the army - so there is no real army - And the equipment is so outdated - Altough they bought a few Billion rands of new equipment - only to arrive in 2008. I love airshows so i am very happy about the new Saab Griphen's.
swallace (User)   Posted on: 05-Jul-2004 15:17:35.
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Some people think that Lion's, leapards, elephants, Crocodiles and Rhino's are walking around us


Same here. People think that Oklahoma is overrun with Indians (Native Americans) and buffulo.

The poor will always be with us. I have been poor - it's a phase of life, not a way of life. What irks me is the people who use the poor to political advantage. That happens a lot here, particularly in the old south. People who are using poor people can only keep their power base by keeping the people poor, rather than helping them transition out of it. Education is the key to getting out, and I'm surprised to hear people fight against improving education through standardized testing - of educators! It just tells me that those people want to keep people down to stay in power. Shameful.

I'm proud that the US has pledged $15 billion USD to help with AIDS in Africa, though it's not yet been fully delivered. Long-range US historians can see the shift from our conflicts in Europe, to the latest in the Middle East, and then Africa. Each is a 50-year slog, and we're only some 35 years in with the Middle East (We really became engaged in a positive way with Carter/Egypt/Israel in 1970's). We've a long ways to go, but, as I sit here amongst the Indians and Buffulo, I can see a future 'Union of Middle Eastern States' that competes with the EU and US, and that works together to solve the problems of Africa, (except the French of course.) Imagine it, work towards it, but don't expect it until another generation passes. This is the unstated goal of the United States. Read the little-publicized speeches of Condolezza Rice. She's looking 100 years down the road. Brilliant stuff.

In the mean-time, capitalists will be capitalists. As long as we keep a long term vision, I think we'll be fine.

Can't possibly have a Union of Middle Eastern States just like the EU? Tell that to the Hapsburgs!




Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 05-Jul-2004 15:50:42.
swallace wrote:
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Some people think that Lion's, leapards, elephants, Crocodiles and Rhino's are walking around us


Same here. People think that Oklahoma is overrun with Indians (Native Americans) and buffulo.

Yeah and we're living in windmills wearing wooden shoes and eating cheese and tulips all day Regular Smiley (and the average american thinks Holland is the capitol of Denmark hehe)

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I'm proud that the US has pledged $15 billion USD to help with AIDS in Africa, though it's not yet been fully delivered. Long-range US historians can see the shift from our conflicts in Europe, to the latest in the Middle East, and then Africa. Each is a 50-year slog, and we're only some 35 years in with the Middle East (We really became engaged in a positive way with Carter/Egypt/Israel in 1970's). We've a long ways to go, but, as I sit here amongst the Indians and Buffulo, I can see a future 'Union of Middle Eastern States' that competes with the EU and US, and that works together to solve the problems of Africa, (except the French of course.) Imagine it, work towards it, but don't expect it until another generation passes. This is the unstated goal of the United States. Read the little-publicized speeches of Condolezza Rice. She's looking 100 years down the road. Brilliant stuff.

I find this hard to believe. The whole purpose of the actions of the US in the rest of the world is to keep the rest of the world doing things like the US wants them to do things. It's simple math. The French are doing the same thing, like the UK are too. The weird thing is (for the US) that the rest of the world not always wants to do the things the US wants them to do in a way the US wants them to do it.

The whole purpose of Iraq for example was to have a US friendly nation in the middle east because the US has to move out of Saudi Arabia soon (wolfowitz said this himself). The post-WW2 trackrecord of the US has proven time and time again that they do the same thing over and over again: tell the rest of the world what they have to do.

There is a problem though. Several parts of the world don't want to listen to the US. One of them is China, the other one is a large part of the Middle east. What I find strange is that this is a problem to the US. I as a citizen of a very small country, really don't understand why Joe Sixpack in Huckleville, Arizona is bothered by the well being of the people in a country he can't even locate on the map!

IF that is the case, there is a very large part of the world where misery is far greater than in the middle east: Africa.

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In the mean-time, capitalists will be capitalists. As long as we keep a long term vision, I think we'll be fine.

Well, what I find funny as a european citizen of a country where the following things are legal: prostitution, soft drugs, euthanisia, abortion, drinking booze at 16, and the following things are illegal: firearms, that we over here have far less people per 1000 inhabitants in jail, being poor, we have far lower crime rate and for example we have the lowest amount of teen pregnancies per 1000 people in the world. I'm not sure, but I think the way the US' focus on the individual (in general, I'm not saying you have that vision) instead of on the community in general is disturbing. Just over the border in Canada, figures are very different. I think having a long term vision is great but as long as money leads politics instead of politics leads money, the US is not on the right track.

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Can't possibly have a Union of Middle Eastern States just like the EU? Tell that to the Hapsburgs!

Alt
hough they have a common subset of the Arabic language in common, not a lot of arabic countries like each other very much. There is also not a lot to gain with such a union. In Europe we could win a lot because here we have a lot of internal trade going on. In the middle east, most trading is with countries not in the middle east (oil).
wayne (User)   Posted on: 05-Jul-2004 16:36:18.
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Yeah and we're living in windmills wearing wooden shoes and eating cheese and tulips all day (and the average american thinks Holland is the capitol of Denmark hehe)

I knew it was true!Regular SmileyTongue Doesn't your feet get cold in those wooden shoes?Wink And what about blisters? windmills - that explains where you get electrical power for your PC'sWink

The Swiss make choclate, the Dutch make chees and South African's make Biltong!
For those that don't know what Biltong is, it is Raw spiced meat dried over a period of about 1 month, usually made from kudu, springbok, ox or ostrich. In the higher parts of SA you get moepanie worms(big black worms with white spots that life in trees, grows to a length of +- 15 cm) the people take them dry them and eat them - actually a delicasy. In Namibie you get Bokkoms - it is a little silver fish that they salt and dry.

We use to have alot of programmes on TV from Holland - It is just confusing seeing people doing illegal things!Wink Seeing people making and selling Dagga Koekies on TV, and then the humour is very different from SA homour - sometimes you actually have to sit down and try and think - why was that suppose to be funny?

One thing that i am finding confusing is:
Your country is called Holland or is netherland? And when people are refering to the people of Holland the talk about the Dutch. I mean i am from South Africa, that means i am a South African.

We have a word in afrikaans 'Hol' it's a slang word for anus...makes me wonder...WinkheheLaugh



swallace (User)   Posted on: 05-Jul-2004 16:56:23.
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Yeah and we're living in windmills wearing wooden shoes and eating cheese and tulips all day


Seriously, what is the name of your country? Netherlands? Holland? The Dutch? Regular Smiley

I agree, Americans are idiots. I can't argue with that. But, they're fat and happy idiots, and some would say that's how we were meant to be. (Just kidding.)

With US citizens, it's about personal responsibility and freedoms over government rules, even if those rules might be to our greater benefit. Far too many people in this country (the fat and lazy idiots) have abused their personal freedoms, but putting in place the concept of individual liberties (and the right to abuse it) was the very purpose for our original revolution, was bred into us through our expansion westward, was typified in Theodore Roosevelt (I named a son after him...) and is being put into practice by George W. Bush.

It's strange, even to me, but we accept a level of (call it what it is) carnage as the cost of personal freedoms, because we expect and hope that people will behave themselves in the absense of government controls. Our hope is to educate people out of such nonsense as teen pregnancy, drug abuse, etc. Currently we are failing, and are behind the world, but we will not legislate our way out of it. It's not in our nature. Period.

We think that every person is responsible for thier own well being. Our religions heritage also says that we have a responsibility to help others achieve _for themselves_. We're not out to change the world to be like us, but only want only to make it a peaceful place for people to become _themselves_. The first proof of that is that we won't impose a way of life on ourselves, even to our own detriment! We offer to Africa money and education, but we can't make them use it right (that always wearing the condom with the hole thing, that cracked me up.)

There was this great study a few years back that noticed that "golfing" nations never go to war with other "golfing" nations, meaning that once a certain per capita number of citizens of a country were golfers, that country would not go to war with another of the same per capita golfers. Weird. We're not out to make everyone play golf, only to bring about the kind of peace and stability that allows people to follow their own ambitions, like you guys with that crazy football thing...

You know, we gave Europe back to it's own people twice in the last century, and protected her from Soviet domination. ("Oh, he throws that in our face again, does he?") I think we have a pretty good track record of letting people follow their own pursuits without being dominating imperialists. But we want (demand?) peace and commerce.

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I find this hard to believe. The whole purpose of the actions of the US in the rest of the world is to keep the rest of the world doing things like the US wants them to do things.


We just want people to stop killing each other and ourselves. However, we don't step in until forced (WWI, WWII, shall I go on? Ok, perhaps Vietnam was a bad idea...) When we step in we make a big splash, stabilize lots of things, then leave (over time, still trying to get out of Germany...) Would the Soviets have done the same had they been successful in Afghanistan? Was Hitler planning to leave France to the French? How many times to we have to prove that we aren't imperialists?

Yes, we're going to leave Saudi Arabia. And we will work to bring down the House of Saud. And for a change in the government in Damascus. And we will free the people of Lebanon, and we will insist on a stable government in Palistine and we will fight the North Koreans if need be. And we will kill people and break things. We're good at it.

We will change the world. It is well understood here in Oklahoma that we are in World War III. And we will win.

And then we will go home, and eat doritos and watch Americanized football, and hope that the rest of the world, including a United Korea, Independant Tiawan and Free Iraq, that those people will go home to the sports of their choice, and eat the snack foods of their choice, and live in peace.

...and we will watch Africa fester, and one day we will have to get out of our chairs again...


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hough they have a common subset of the Arabic language in common, not a lot of arabic countries like each other very much. There is also not a lot to gain with such a union.


Not today, you're right. But these fools can't live off oil forever. Someday they'll have to manufacture something. I believe, and I recognize that others don't, that unions of states are enevitable (sp?), if for no other reason than to counter the US, EU, and perhaps someday Asia Union. Think generations! The people of Kentucky hated the people of New York and had nothing in common with them. For generations this was true, but common economic interests, including balancing the British Empire, brought them together and erased the self-centeredness of their grandparents. My grandchildren will understand.

By the way, showing my ignorance here, are you Hollanders Tongue in the EU?



wayne (User)   Posted on: 05-Jul-2004 17:16:55.
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that always wearing the condom with the hole thing, that cracked me up.)


It is true - It is actually sad. It is not un-common for a black man to have 2-3 wifes and a few girl friends...In the black tradition the man stays home and drinks beer - And the woman do all the work and have to bring money in. The man only works when he is single. The man want his children to be female becuase the husband tobe has to buy his daughter from him. It is called La-bolla.
Usually 4 cows or so...City folk wants money.

When they started to hand out the condoms in the beginning - Under the instruction of the ex-minister of health Zuma - She instructed them to hand the condoms out with the instructions stapled to the condom!!!!Laugh

And she was suppose to be a educated person...


swallace (User)   Posted on: 05-Jul-2004 17:25:14.
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they stapled the instructions to the condom!!!!


Come to think of it, that's how I got my first kid! Regular Smiley

Say, wasn't there an African leader recently who refused shipment of polio vaccine because it was from the US? Seems like I'd heard there was a terrible outbreak because of it. I read (this may not be true) that he then shopped around for 18 monthes, found a "good muslim" supplier in France, and went with them. In the meantime, kids were paralyzed.

UPDATE:

Here's the link:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4998394/

Indonedia not France. Still, are we seen as that evil?

wayne (User)   Posted on: 05-Jul-2004 17:36:23.
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Still, are we seen as that evil?
You missed the main word - Muslim

Muslim's don't like the US that much - even here in SA. When the US does something that they don't like they go to the nearest mac donanlds and riot.

Its not all of them thats like that.


sirshannon (User)   Posted on: 06-Jul-2004 00:49:09.
I'll skip all the silly political spats here and ask the important question:

Why does everyone mispell Spider-man?
wayne (User)   Posted on: 06-Jul-2004 09:21:25.
I still want to know:
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Seriously, what is the name of your country? Netherlands? Holland? The Dutch? Regular Smiley


And what do you call your language? Netherlands? or Dutch?


Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 06-Jul-2004 09:25:09.
wayne wrote:
I still want to know:
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Seriously, what is the name of your country? Netherlands? Holland? The Dutch? Regular Smiley


And what do you call your language? Netherlands? or Dutch?

The country is called 'The Netherlands' Regular Smiley, we speak 'Dutch'. Or as we say: Nederland (country) and Nederlands (language).

'Holland' is the name of a provence, actually we have 2 provinces called that way: North and South. North is where Amsterdam is located, South is where Rotterdam is located (and The Hague). I'm from Friesland, one of the northern provinces, and we have our own language as well, Frysk Regular Smiley

wayne (User)   Posted on: 06-Jul-2004 09:42:41.
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The country is called 'The Netherlands' Regular Smiley, we speak 'Dutch'

So why would people refer to a country by using one of the province names?
for example in soccer they talked about Holland not 'The Netherlands'Regular Smiley

Frysk?, Never heard of it. Sounds like it should be a viking language...

The Hague, I thought you made that name up!Regular Smiley or thought that that was what you called your house or something - So it is really a place...talking about funny town names - Here in SA is a town called 'Pit sonder water' (Otis you should be able to understand those words) - roughly means 'place without water'

[Edit] - got a map of Holland or 'The Nethelands' http://www.hollandhousing.com/map.htm
It is actually a very small country, The Hague, found it!! next to the coast!


Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 06-Jul-2004 10:12:27.
wayne wrote:
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The country is called 'The Netherlands' Regular Smiley, we speak 'Dutch'

So why would people refer to a country by using one of the province names?
for example in soccer they talked about Holland not 'The Netherlands'Regular Smiley

That's because in the 17th century when The Netherlands was the superpower of the world (believe it or not) most activity was raised in the coast provinces, holland and zeeland. (yes, New Zealand is named after that province Regular Smiley)

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Frysk?, Never heard of it. Sounds like it should be a viking language...

It's related to scandinavian languages indeed Regular Smiley

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The Hague, I thought you made that name up!Regular Smiley or thought that that was what you called your house or something - So it is really a place...talking about funny town names - Here in SA is a town called 'Pit sonder water' (Otis you should be able to understand those words) - roughly means 'place without water'

The Hague is english for Den Haag, which is actually the city where our government is located Regular Smiley (and the international court of law) South Afrika has all kinds of funny city names, like 'bloemfontein' (flower fountain Regular Smiley) Most white people in SA have dutch ancestors btw.

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[Edit] - got a map of Holland or 'The Nethelands' http://www.hollandhousing.com/map.htm
It is actually a very small country, The Hague, found it!! next to the coast!

Yes! Regular Smiley I live in Scheveningen, old village which is now part of The Hague, 300m from hte beach Tongue
wayne (User)   Posted on: 06-Jul-2004 10:31:28.
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It's related to scandinavian languages indeed
Thats the word i was looking for; scandinavian, scandinavian...
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South Afrika has all kinds of funny city names, like

Pofadder(Snake name), Hankey, Boknes, Port Elizabeth (Where i grew up - named after queen elizabeth), Vryburg (Vry is eather kissing, or beeing free), Swellendam, Kakamas, Garries...
http://www.infoplease.com/atlas/country/southafrica.html

There are a few +-20 languages in SA but only 11 official languages: Afrikaans, English, Zulu, Xhosa, Ndebele, Venda, Swati, Sesotho, Sepedi, Tsonga and Tswana.

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Most white people in SA have dutch ancestors btw.
Horny Dutchmen!Regular SmileyTongue
I have british ancestors - Surname being 'Barker' but my whole family is Afrikaans speaking. My mothers maiden surname is Vermaak (Dutch) - funny enough translates to entertainment in english. My wifes maiden surname is 'Dafel' (Dutch) spelling may fary between (Defil, Devil, Davel and Dafel)

60% of the whites in SA speak Afrikaans while 90% of the couloured folk speak it. The couloured folk have ancestors either from native bushmen (Koi san) or from malaisian slaves that took a role in the hay with the their slave masters...


swallace (User)   Posted on: 06-Jul-2004 15:25:14.
Thanks for the lesson, I'd always wondered about that. Got it straight from the source. I've been to Brussels; if it's anything like that it must be beautiful. Seems like I remember reading about The Netherlands being a world power, first through trade then lending and credit. I'll have to read up on that. We Americans tend to ignore anything before the mid 1700's...

I'll add my own lesson here. My state (province) is "Oklahoma," which means "Home of the Red Man." It was originally established as settlements for native americans (indians) displaced from Florida. The were (sadly) force-marched out of Florida along what later became known as the Trail of Tears, because so many of them died along the way. In later years, reservations were created (and still exist to this day), the indians displaced again, and the land was opened to white settlers using "land runs," in which they could claim land by settling upon and improving it. Later, Oklahoma became a state.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0108260.html

Oh, the ignorance of our ancestors. It's the world we inherited, right or wrong.


wayne (User)   Posted on: 06-Jul-2004 16:09:31.
I really like this thread.

I have learned about Holland that is actually 'the netherlands', Oklahoma, world polotics and about soccer.

Gee, Oklahoma State looks bigger than 'The netherlands'Regular Smiley

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We Americans tend to ignore anything before the mid 1700's...
The first white people to settlein SA was the Dutch - Jan Anthoniszoon van Riebeeck - they landed at the future Cape Town on 6 April 1652. But i only take note of what happened during the 1800 - much more interesting....

Let's compare languages with a phrase: ( My Dutch is a bit rusty...)
Dutch - "In 1652, kwam daarop Jan van Riebeeck naar de Tafelbaai"
Afrikaans - "In 1652, kom Jan van Riebeeck daar aan in Tafelbaai"
English - "Jan van Riebeeck arrived at Tafelbaai in 1652."

Isn't modern communication a wonder? Here we are talking to each other almsot in realtime seperated by a few thousand miles?....Regular Smiley


sirshannon (User)   Posted on: 06-Jul-2004 23:40:25.
wayne wrote:
The Hague, I thought you made that name up!Regular Smiley


I applied for a job in The Hague once. The War Crimes Tribunal was hiring web developers. Seriously. I didn't get the job but it was by far the coolest job I've ever applied for.
wayne (User)   Posted on: 07-Jul-2004 12:47:55.
Has anybody looked at CodeSmith Studio?
It is actually very powerfull.

It can do the same as a O/R Mapper - Generate Code - but it is upto the developer to design the templates as he wants it - that is if he does not like the existing templates.

What makes it so nice is the fact that it has a proper editor with key words that get hilighted and all of that type of stuff.

You can use it to generate any type of code or text document.


Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 07-Jul-2004 14:59:15.
Codesmith studio is nice, but not that powerful as it might seem. You still need a lot of code writing by hand to get the templates you want. Remember: the code you generate with LLBLGen Pro is just a part of the complete codebase you're using Regular Smiley A lot is in the runtime libs. Regular Smiley

Also, codesmith is really just a few lines of code Regular Smiley

- parse <% and %>. All text between %> and <% is transformed to PrintRoutine(text);
- all code between <% and %> is inserted to a static void Main(string[] args){ // code here } routine.
- Add assembly using statements to string with Main method
- compile using CodeDom's C# compiler to memory assembly
- call main, voila! Regular Smiley

It's however nice to generate typed collections
wayne (User)   Posted on: 07-Jul-2004 15:47:58.
Hi Otis

Today i am browsing through the msdn magazine and trying all the new stuff like Codesmith studio. I can't wait for VS 2005 - They developed all the stuff that i needed 2 years ago...

I am searching for report builders for asp.net - know any good ones that will work with the collections from LLBLGen?

I don't want to use Crystal Reports (What a piece of *%$@#)
I tried Xtra reports by DevExpress but that wants access to a DataAdapter and DataSource at design time.



Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 07-Jul-2004 15:55:47.
report generators are pretty tough stuff to work with anyway, activereports was always a good candidate in hte COM world.

Almost all report writers want datasets to design the report. This is ok, just keep the dataset the same as an entity collection for example and you should be able to bind an entity collection without problems.
wayne (User)   Posted on: 07-Jul-2004 16:06:49.
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activereports was always a good candidate in hte COM world

Have you seen their prices? - Standard Edition (Site) - $3,499.00 or Professional Edition (Site) - $9,099.00.



Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 07-Jul-2004 16:30:55.
Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

Whoa... that's way too much. You can then better write some HTML stuff and display that in a browser or fill word docs through automation (or fight with CR)
wayne (User)   Posted on: 07-Jul-2004 16:40:40.
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Whoa... that's way too much. You can then better write some HTML stuff and display that in a browser or fill word docs through automation (or fight with CR)

I am currently pushing HTML out with a save as Excel option - the problem is paging and page sizes.

I Gave up on Crystal Reports in .Net 2002 after it kept on loosing my report settings and crasing VS.Net. I am actually glad as designing reports as normal forms and then populating it using entites was much faster than trying to create a report with crystal

PS - your forum reports 4 pages when the 3rd page is full - only the next post (this post) will be added to the 4th page.


Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 07-Jul-2004 17:04:27.
Hmm, tiny bug then there... (never noticed it)

Crystal reports is not my choice of having fun either, but it's what you get for free with vs.net, so it saves you a lot of $$$ ...

swallace (User)   Posted on: 07-Jul-2004 21:33:55.
Has anyone used MS's Reporting Services in a product environment yet? I've dinked with it, and it didn't die (high praise compared to Crystal Reports), but I've never seen it rolled out. Does it survive? The price is certainly right, if you already license MS SQL.

swallace (User)   Posted on: 07-Jul-2004 21:35:23.
Wayne, you've overtaken me in number of posts, second to Otis. I'm thinking of challenging you to a "post-off" Regular Smiley

jeffreygg (User)   Posted on: 07-Jul-2004 21:37:29.
Active Reports is great...love it love it love it. The price isn't too bad if you don't get the site license - I even think it's better than Crystal given that you have to pay extra to use the API (beyond using the report designer), and you have to pay runtime royalties to distribute their end-user report designer. Plus I'm not sure how xcopy deploy works with Crystal - ActiveReports is a dream.

As far as binding to entities: I'm pretty sure that you can - at least I'm pretty sure that I have, or at least bound to GetMultiAsDataTable which of course returns a datatable (would love to have post-entitycollection-creation support for that , ie: ConvertToDataTable), however it's not as useful as you think as you will not be able to return related entity fields. TypedViews/Lists are the only choice here (we used sprocs, since we needed aggregates). At any rate, I highly recommend Active Reports, and I think the overall hard cost is lower if you are doing serious integration work, not to mention total ROI.

Send me an e-mail if you'd like more information about Active Reports pluses and minuses...

Jeff...


Answer (User)   Posted on: 07-Jul-2004 21:55:23.
You know you can download the vb.net resource kit for free, in it contains the ComponentOne Suite, it includes asp.net and winforms report component. Seems pretty descent, i have only messed with it, not used it in a production yet.

One thing i noticed about crystal is that your limited to only one server meaning you can only distribute it to one client. (asp.net)

as far as i can tell the component one report thing doesnt have that limit.
wayne (User)   Posted on: 08-Jul-2004 11:34:22.
Ok - here we go - several postings in one post.Regular Smiley

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Wayne, you've overtaken me in number of posts, second to Otis. I'm thinking of challenging you to a "post-off"
You will never win - i am a internet junky.WinkTongue - How do you know who is second? I did not even know that i was competing...

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The price isn't too bad if you don't get the site license

What is the differences between the Site and No-Site license?

I need a reporting tool with the following (My cleints requirements):
1. Once of price - No royalties.
2. To distribute to as many cleints as i wish.
3. Must have a build in designer for End Users.
4. Must work with .Net (duh!) & SQL Server.

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As far as binding to entities: I'm pretty sure that you can

I remember that i saw under 3rd party a task performer that makes visual controls of the collections & entities - Will that fix my design time problem? I hate doing work arounds - assigning code at runtime to make it work!!!Angry (design report - compile - hope and pray - see report - back to source - make changes - compile....)

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One thing i noticed about crystal is that your limited to only one server meaning you can only distribute it to one client. (asp.net)
I don't think i will ever use crystal again, wasted 2 months of trying to make it work. In the ASP world you don't actually need a report writer as everting is HTML and you can just desgin Black and white forms. The problem comes in when users want to design their own reports. Active X & Com reports are not really on my list - because the cleint needs to download the control first(most people still use dial up's here).


swallace (User)   Posted on: 08-Jul-2004 14:47:39.
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How do you know who is second?


Just guessing based on viewing messages. I've not seen report.

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I don't think i will ever use crystal again


Same here. They've changed hands several times in the past few years, and I get the feeling their new corporate masters don't care about the product. I was hoping MS would dump them from the upcoming Visual Studio 2005 in favor of their own Reporting Services, but MS has already announced they won't.

Where does old software go to die?

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Active Reports is great


I've heard that. I'll give them a try.

Be sure to check out:

http://www.developerfood.com/forms/showcategory,02271358-d35a-45ad-80d1-9716c55a36a3.aspx (interesting. The forum viewer (or perhaps my browser) does not pick up the URL past the comma. You'll want to get the whole thing...)

to see another product, Report Sharp-Shooter from 9rays.net. I've no personal experience with it, but I've also heard good things.

However, all in all I usually go with the Microsoft solution. Still, nobody experienced with MS Reporting Services? Any opinions yet?
jeffreygg (User)   Posted on: 08-Jul-2004 18:59:07.
wayne wrote:
What is the differences between the Site and No-Site license?

The Site license just gives you unlimited licenses for your development team to use the software. You only need 1 license (not the site license, just an individual license - for the professional version which includes the end-user report designer, I think it's $1300 US) per developer and that gives you unlimited distribution of the the reports, and unlimited distribution of the end-user report designer. There's also a web-based control for web delivery, an HTML exporter, etc.

The integration with VS is extremely tight, more so than I think Crystal could ever be: there's the report designer (just like the winforms designer), as well as a code-behind. You can pretty much handle any event imaginable in the report generation process to inject your code, do conditional formatting, create run-time controls, bind data dynamically - whatever you want.

The end-user report designer is contained in a single managed dll. So, you can use Click Once if you want, but at any rate deployment is a dream.

Jeff...


jeffreygg (User)   Posted on: 08-Jul-2004 19:04:53.
swallace wrote:
However, all in all I usually go with the Microsoft solution. Still, nobody experienced with MS Reporting Services? Any opinions yet?

My opinion of MS Reporting Services is that it's best used for enterprise reporting deployments. I think it's a bit overkill for "single-use" type solutions because it's really a complete platform for report delivery - something akin to Crystal Enterprise. I'm sure the report development is tightly integrated with VS, but you'll have to deal with the overhead of the server install, and go through the learning curve of how they want to deliver the reports, when perhaps all you need is simple preview and print.

However, if a complete report management and delivery system is what you want, I'll bet Reporting Services is perfect. The native integration with VS, SQL, and IIS is what every Microsoft developer wants, and I'm sure they have an API you can code against to customize the delivery experience.

Jeff...
wayne (User)   Posted on: 09-Jul-2004 13:38:33.
Hi All, It is Freaky FridayTongue!!!! (Back on topicRegular Smiley...well for a second in any caseRegular Smiley)

Quote:
The Site license just gives you unlimited licenses for your development team to use the software. You only need 1 license (not the site license, just an individual license - for the professional version which includes the end-user report designer, I think it's $1300 US) per developer and that gives you unlimited distribution of the the reports, and unlimited distribution of the end-user report designer. There's also a web-based control for web delivery, an HTML exporter, etc.


Thanks JeffRegular Smiley, We going to need more than 1 license - going to need 4 licenses...and the price is to high unfortunatly - according to the cleint.

How much Active X does it use? Would like a pure .net approuch....

Quote:
and unlimited distribution of the end-user report designer

unlimited? We have 4 BIG cleints using asp.net app, can we distribute to them free of charge?
What about royalties?

And the Sproc implementation that you where talking about in the Databinding section sounds scary!


swallace (User)   Posted on: 09-Jul-2004 19:19:01.
This seems like a good thread to wish Otis (Frans) a very happy 34th birthday. Couldn't have done the things I've done WITHOUT you! Best wishes.

Sw.
jeffreygg (User)   Posted on: 09-Jul-2004 21:00:19.
wayne wrote:
Hi All, It is Freaky FridayTongue!!!! (Back on topicRegular Smiley...well for a second in any caseRegular Smiley)

Quote:
The Site license just gives you unlimited licenses for your development team to use the software. You only need 1 license (not the site license, just an individual license - for the professional version which includes the end-user report designer, I think it's $1300 US) per developer and that gives you unlimited distribution of the the reports, and unlimited distribution of the end-user report designer. There's also a web-based control for web delivery, an HTML exporter, etc.


Thanks JeffRegular Smiley, We going to need more than 1 license - going to need 4 licenses...and the price is to high unfortunatly - according to the cleint.


I actually believe it's comparable or better than Crystal Reports IF you're going to be doing any integration (code-level) into your project.

Quote:


How much Active X does it use? Would like a pure .net approuch....

None, nill, zilch, nada. Deployment is pure xcopy

Quote:

Quote:
and unlimited distribution of the end-user report designer

unlimited? We have 4 BIG cleints using asp.net app, can we distribute to them free of charge?
What about royalties?

I am reasonably (99%) sure that there are 0 distribution costs/royalties for the end-user report designer, which makes it a steal compared to Crystal. And the end-user report designer is a dream to code against.

Quote:
And the Sproc implementation that you where talking about in the Databinding section sounds scary!

Yea, I wasn't happy about using sprocs, but I had to. Just an issue of timing: I missed Adapter by 2 months, and I missed the runtime library updates that would have enabled the features I needed by 2 months as well Angry

Jeff...


jeffreygg (User)   Posted on: 09-Jul-2004 21:01:18.
swallace wrote:
Couldn't have done the things I've done with you!


Heh. What a thing to say on the guy's birthday, sheesh! Wink

Jeff...
swallace (User)   Posted on: 09-Jul-2004 21:13:18.
Code:
What a thing to say on the guy's birthday, sheesh!


What? What'd I say? I don't get it? Did I offend? I really meant that I'd built great code using his stuff! What?

Embarassed

Of course, he is kind of old...

Regular Smiley



jeffreygg (User)   Posted on: 09-Jul-2004 21:20:17.
I think you meant to say, Couldn't have done the things I've done without you. Regular Smiley

Jeff...

Yes, yes, the anal retentive police are out in force, I know.

Quote:

Of course, he is kind of old...


Yea, just a few years left, I know. Hope he get's CF support by then. It's a shame he decided to put LLBLGen Pro together in his waning years... Regular Smiley

Jeff...
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 10-Jul-2004 09:51:20.
Thanks Scott Regular Smiley

hehheh Regular Smiley I'm not old, I'm just starting! Regular Smiley Really! Wink

Most developers of 34 are looking for a position like 'project lead' or similar. I however like the code-trenches Regular Smiley


Answer (User)   Posted on: 10-Jul-2004 15:06:15.
Well technically you kinda are the project lead, and owner, and architect Regular Smiley

Ahh, the joys of being self employeed Laugh
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 10-Jul-2004 15:15:45.
Answer wrote:
Well technically you kinda are the project lead, and owner, and architect Regular Smiley

Ahh, the joys of being self employeed Laugh

Laugh, you got that right. Regular Smiley But the biggest advantage is that because you're the owner of the project, spending time on it is natural and rewarding: you're not doing it for a paycheck but for getting a better tool out there Regular Smiley (or maybe that is just me, I don't know Wink)


Answer (User)   Posted on: 10-Jul-2004 18:09:42.
Quote:
But the biggest advantage is that because you're the owner of the project, spending time on it is natural and rewarding: you're not doing it for a paycheck but for getting a better tool out there (or maybe that is just me, I don't know )


Totally agree, its ALOT of hard work, but your payoff is usually better. Not just in money(many times worse), but you have the pride of what you have accomplished.
wayne (User)   Posted on: 12-Jul-2004 12:36:15.
Quote:
But the biggest advantage is that because you're the owner of the project, spending time on it is natural and rewarding

I have to agree with that statement. Regular Smiley

I developed my own product called Netready MLM, it is a MLM management system. MLM stands for Multi Level Marketing yeah you guest right - Co's like Herbalife and Amway are MLM companies. MLM Companies tend to get bad wraps as being pyramid schemes - but there turnover is HUGE!! and that is a good thing for me.

Bassically i give the system away for free and get money on a hosting the systems and on a royalty bassis per dealer that joins the co and that renews their dealership after every year. I currently have 2 clients but in the last year things have gone a bit slow - so me and my devs had to start doing contract work for other co's just to be able to eat.

This is just killing my soul...as i personally don't want to work on somebody elses system - No matter how interesting it might be or how much they pay me - I want to work on my own project.Angry - But there seem to be light at the end of the tunnel - things are picking up again.

It is hugely rewarding to work on your own project - And you don't mind putting in more hours. There is just no grativication to work for somebody else...you end up just working for experience or a pay check and none of them really make you feel great. So how do you make your developers happy? You give them a cut of the action - make them feel as if they work for themselfs - That means that they will work on the system as if it is their own and they won't leave to find a better paying job.


wayne (User)   Posted on: 13-Jul-2004 20:27:54.
Com on people were so close to a hundred postings in one thread - just 4 more...come on.Regular Smiley
jeffreygg (User)   Posted on: 13-Jul-2004 21:05:11.
Troll...

Laugh

Jeff...


wayne (User)   Posted on: 13-Jul-2004 21:14:48.
Ass wipe. Laugh
Fishy (User)   Posted on: 13-Jul-2004 22:08:03.
99, one more...

mdissel (User)   Posted on: 13-Jul-2004 22:51:42.
and there is the bug in this forum again Shocked ... It's showing 5 pages, but the last post is on the 4'th page

Marco
wayne (User)   Posted on: 13-Jul-2004 23:02:40.
Hee Ha!!! Laugh we made it 101 post in one thread!Regular Smiley

This must be some type of a record.Wink

I havn't seen any other threads that can even close this...


jeffreygg (User)   Posted on: 14-Jul-2004 00:17:33.
Tell the man what he's won, Frans!

Cool

Jeff...
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 14-Jul-2004 09:19:14.
jeffreygg wrote:
Tell the man what he's won, Frans!

Cool

Jeff...

A free subscription to the 103th post in this thread! Yes people only we give away prices like this!

(I'll look into the forum bug, probably no big thing)


wayne (User)   Posted on: 14-Jul-2004 09:49:30.
FransRegular Smiley

Have you thought about increasing your price for LLBLGen? Let say maybe with a 100 or 200 euro's? Then you could maybe employee a junior developer to supe up this forum for you and take care of all the little bugs in the LLBLGen system while you work on more serios issues.

It's great having you doing all of this but there is only 24hrs in a day and you are only 1 man.
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 14-Jul-2004 09:59:20.
wayne wrote:
FransRegular Smiley
Have you thought about increasing your price for LLBLGen? Let say maybe with a 100 or 200 euro's? Then you could maybe employee a junior developer to supe up this forum for you and take care of all the little bugs in the LLBLGen system while you work on more serios issues.

Adding another developer is not necessarily adding speed to the development process. Especially bugfixing requires a lot of time with the system. There are small issues left and they get fixed, as these don't take a lot of time. Most of the time is eaten away by large new features or like the 4 weeks I lost with migrating the complete gui to infragistics grids.

The forum is working, there are some small glitches, but are they really annoying? (the error on the paging is small, I thought I fixed that months ago, but perhaps I forgot to patch the stored proc online)

Another developer only saves time if s/he can work independently from me, which is not the case with this system, at least not for a long time if that developer steps in now. THere are some people who will step in for support when time is short, but that will not give the same level of support you're used to.

The fun thing is, the amount of support requests is stable for months, while the amount of customers increases steadily. Apparently after a while customers find their way to this forum or find their way with the system and don't need support anymore.

Quote:

It's great having you doing all of this but there is only 24hrs in a day and you are only 1 man.

I know, it's hard work Regular Smiley But the amount of features left to be implemented isn't endless. I hope to be finished with what I want to add to the tool by October/november 2004. After that it should be much easier Regular Smiley


wayne (User)   Posted on: 14-Jul-2004 15:42:06.
Well let me confuse this hole for forum by quoting something that was posted 3 pages ago...

Quote:
Well, what I find funny as a european citizen of a country where the following things are legal: prostitution, soft drugs, euthanisia, abortion, drinking booze at 16, and the following things are illegal: firearms, that we over here have far less people per 1000 inhabitants in jail, being poor, we have far lower crime rate and for example we have the lowest amount of teen pregnancies per 1000 people in the world. I'm not sure, but I think the way the US' focus on the individual (in general, I'm not saying you have that vision) instead of on the community in general is disturbing. Just over the border in Canada, figures are very different. I think having a long term vision is great but as long as money leads politics instead of politics leads money, the US is not on the right track.


So frans, what is your favourite soft drug?Tongue

Do you have any kids?
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 14-Jul-2004 16:51:57.
wayne wrote:
Well let me confuse this hole for forum by quoting something that was posted 3 pages ago...

Quote:
Well, what I find funny as a european citizen of a country where the following things are legal: prostitution, soft drugs, euthanisia, abortion, drinking booze at 16, and the following things are illegal: firearms, that we over here have far less people per 1000 inhabitants in jail, being poor, we have far lower crime rate and for example we have the lowest amount of teen pregnancies per 1000 people in the world. I'm not sure, but I think the way the US' focus on the individual (in general, I'm not saying you have that vision) instead of on the community in general is disturbing. Just over the border in Canada, figures are very different. I think having a long term vision is great but as long as money leads politics instead of politics leads money, the US is not on the right track.


So frans, what is your favourite soft drug?Tongue

I stick with a fav. harddrug: alcohol in beer Wink

Quote:
Do you have any kids?

No, do you? Regular Smiley


wayne (User)   Posted on: 14-Jul-2004 17:06:49.
Otis wrote:
I stick with a fav. harddrug: alcohol in beer Wink
Quote:
hmmm....ok....not even a little marijuana?Wink
I don't smoke, i don't do drugs and i don't get totally drunk (pissed) ...but i do enjoy my beer & red wine. The only drug that i am totally addicted to is Programming - atleast 17 hours a day.

Otis wrote:
Do you have any kids?
No, do you? Regular Smiley
Nah...got married last year October - Wife wants to start now...got me a bit worried. - I am only 25...26 in 2 weeks. - But you are kinda old 34! should start soon...
sirshannon (User)   Posted on: 14-Jul-2004 17:42:50.
Quote:
Well, what I find funny as a european citizen of a country where the following things are legal: prostitution, soft drugs, euthanisia, abortion, drinking booze at 16 ... we have far lower crime rate


If nothing is illegal, there are no crimes to be committed, of course the rate is low! Tongue


Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 14-Jul-2004 21:54:49.
wayne wrote:
Otis wrote:
I stick with a fav. harddrug: alcohol in beer Wink
Quote:
hmmm....ok....not even a little marijuana?Wink

Nooo, never did that also. It's available at 'coffee shops' (no, you can't get any coffee there Wink) without hassle, but I never liked the idea of smoking nor getting totally wacked out by dope (although when I was student, being drunk was fun (not the day after) Wink)

Quote:

I don't smoke, i don't do drugs and i don't get totally drunk (pissed) ...but i do enjoy my beer &
red wine. The only drug that i am totally addicted to is Programming - atleast 17 hours a day.

Hehe Regular Smiley Same here. Regular Smiley 3 weeks on a holiday without a computer would kill me, really Regular Smiley

Quote:

Otis wrote:
Do you have any kids?
No, do you? Regular Smiley
Nah...got married last year October - Wife wants to start now...got me a bit worried. - I am only 25...26 in 2 weeks. - But you are kinda old 34! should start soon...

hehehe, start saving money, kid Wink Regular Smiley Don't be worried, just make a decision Regular Smiley The sooner you get them, the sooner life without hassle ends, but of course another life begins. It just depends on what you want to do more Regular Smiley
jeffreygg (User)   Posted on: 14-Jul-2004 23:31:50.
wayne wrote:
Otis wrote:
I stick with a fav. harddrug: alcohol in beer Wink
Quote:
hmmm....ok....not even a little marijuana?Wink
I don't smoke, i don't do drugs and i don't get totally drunk (pissed) ...but i do enjoy my beer & red wine. The only drug that i am totally addicted to is Programming - atleast 17 hours a day.

Otis wrote:
Do you have any kids?
No, do you? Regular Smiley
Nah...got married last year October - Wife wants to start now...got me a bit worried. - I am only 25...26 in 2 weeks. - But you are kinda old 34! should start soon...

Hmmm, just married and working on the computer 17 hours a day? And she doesn't mind? Where can I get me one of those?

/e hopes the wife isn't looking over my shoulder...

In other news, I'll let you know how it goes...my wife's at 38 weeks. Life without hassle is almost over Regular Smiley

Jeff...


Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 14-Jul-2004 23:59:09.
jeffreygg wrote:
wayne wrote:
Otis wrote:
I stick with a fav. harddrug: alcohol in beer Wink
Quote:
hmmm....ok....not even a little marijuana?Wink
I don't smoke, i don't do drugs and i don't get totally drunk (pissed) ...but i do enjoy my beer & red wine. The only drug that i am totally addicted to is Programming - atleast 17 hours a day.


Otis wrote:
Do you have any kids?
No, do you? Regular Smiley
Nah...got married last year October - Wife wants to start now...got me a bit worried. - I am only 25...26 in 2 weeks. - But you are kinda old 34! should start soon...

Hmmm, just married and working on the computer 17 hours a day? And she doesn't mind? Where can I get me one of those?

haha Regular Smiley Get your wife a copy of The Sims! My wife is addicted to The Sims so I don't hear any "why are you spending so much time with your computer" complaints Wink)

Quote:

/e hopes the wife isn't looking over my shoulder...

In other news, I'll let you know how it goes...my wife's at 38 weeks. Life without hassle is almost over Regular Smiley

Jeff...

Hey great news, man! Regular Smiley Hopefully everything goes well! Regular Smiley Don't forget to post pictures! Regular Smiley
wayne (User)   Posted on: 15-Jul-2004 09:39:09.
Quote:
/e hopes the wife isn't looking over my shoulder...


Jeff, the trick is to get your wife a computer aswell...Wink - bit to late now seeing that little jeff is on the way.

I had 7 years to train mine.... she was my girl friend for 6 years, my viance for 1 year and know wife for life. So i had some time to get her trained.Wink - But she does give me some grief every now and again....Laugh


I watched "Underworld" the movie last night Cool - you know the movie about Vampires and Werewolfs. Well there was a documentary on CD About Vampires and Werewolfs (Fact or Fiction) - In the doc there was these 3 people living in Amsterdam believing that they are Vampires or Werewolfs...they even have there own private club for Vampires and Werewolfs - where they supposedly drink each others bloodShocked...they prefer blood from people who are vegetarian and don't smokeLaugh...

Damm Otis, some funny shit going on there if you ask me.Wink - Watch where you go at night.Tongue


jeffreygg (User)   Posted on: 16-Jul-2004 00:38:31.
Otis wrote:

haha Regular Smiley Get your wife a copy of The Sims! My wife is addicted to The Sims so I don't hear any "why are you spending so much time with your computer" complaints Wink)

<sigh> tried that...didn't work. Not the type I guess. Or maybe the new Sims Online. Hmmm...


Otis wrote:
Hey great news, man! Regular Smiley Hopefully everything goes well! Regular Smiley Don't forget to post pictures! Regular Smiley


Heh, will do; thanks. I'm sure I'll have a lot of time here soon to post them, ummm, right around 2:30 in the morning...then 4:30...then probably 6:30. Hell, why even try to go to sleep. I've got your forums to keep me warm...

Jeff...
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 16-Jul-2004 09:28:05.
jeffreygg wrote:
Otis wrote:

haha Regular Smiley Get your wife a copy of The Sims! My wife is addicted to The Sims so I don't hear any "why are you spending so much time with your computer" complaints Wink)

<sigh> tried that...didn't work. Not the type I guess. Or maybe the new Sims Online. Hmmm...

Sorry to hear that, pal. Sims Online sux (at least I heard from the Sims Guru here Wink). Perhaps more a DOOM III type? Wink

Quote:

Otis wrote:
Hey great news, man! Regular Smiley Hopefully everything goes well! Regular Smiley Don't forget to post pictures! Regular Smiley


Heh, will do; thanks. I'm sure I'll have a lot of time here soon to post them, ummm, right around 2:30 in the morning...then 4:30...then probably 6:30. Hell, why even try to go to sleep. I've got your forums to keep me warm...

Yeah, take some sleep now, before hell breaks loose Wink. But with all that time spent at the keyboard at night, perhaps you can charge your boss for overtime? Laugh


wayne (User)   Posted on: 16-Jul-2004 15:51:38.
Did i mention that is Friday? I almost forgot!

The weekend is here people!!!Tongue
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 16-Jul-2004 15:54:29.
wayne wrote:
Did i mention that is Friday? I almost forgot!

The weekend is here people!!!Tongue

Hehehe well, I have some misery to go through, (non-ansi port of my multi-join routine, but it's almost done), but then indeed, WEEKEND Regular Smiley

Poor Jeff, weekend's here and he's in bed Wink


netclectic (User)   Posted on: 16-Jul-2004 16:02:24.
yippeee and i'm off on monday... Glasgow Fair, one of those crazy traditional local holidays Laugh
swallace (User)   Posted on: 16-Jul-2004 18:26:03.
So tell me, on your day off are you going to "gawp at a pig wumman?"

"I do, and I'm ganging in. Are ye wi' me or no?"


Tongue

That story is hilarious! Plus, I learned that citizens of Glasgow are called "Glaswegians."

"Weel noo, an' when I tak' another gawp at her, I can see her face isnae quite sae black on the left as it is on the right."


Seems like I said that once about a girl I dated in college...

Regular Smiley



wayne (User)   Posted on: 16-Jul-2004 22:26:18.
Hey Guys, I have bad news...

The company at what i am working has decided to not renew my contract at the end of this monthSad - I found that out at 16:00 today, that means that i will no longer be using LLBLGenSad.

Swallace, that means 2nd place is up for grabsTongue

I might come and give you guys a visit every now and then.Regular Smiley

jeffreygg (User)   Posted on: 17-Jul-2004 01:10:53.
Ack! Bummer, man. Sorry to hear about that. I'm sure you won't be away for too long, though - you'll be recommending LLBLGen for your next job, right?

And I don't think swallace will ever be able to catch up to you - he' s not a lamer troll like you are.. Wink Laugh. Take care, man.

Jeff...

<Edit>Oh, and by the way, this last post puts me 1 up. <grin>


wayne (User)   Posted on: 17-Jul-2004 08:43:32.
Quote:
Ack! Bummer, man. Sorry to hear about that. I'm sure you won't be away for too long, though - you'll be recommending LLBLGen for your next job, right?

I'm going back to work on my own project, my own company - unfortunatly i won't be using LLBLGen there. I have my own OR Mapper that i have implemented into that project.

I took this job just to help my co out of the difficult time that it was having. Actually they did offer me a new contract but with certain conditions that is unacceptable to me. If i don't accept the conditions then the contract is terminated...

Quote:
he' s not a lamer troll like you are..
Thanks man, what ever that means - now who is going to bug you on fridays?Wink
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 17-Jul-2004 10:12:58.
wayne wrote:
Quote:
Ack! Bummer, man. Sorry to hear about that. I'm sure you won't be away for too long, though - you'll be recommending LLBLGen for your next job, right?

I'm going back to work on my own project, my own company - unfortunatly i won't be using LLBLGen there. I have my own OR Mapper that i have implemented into that project.

Good to see you've a project Regular Smiley

Quote:

I took this job just to help my co out of the difficult time that it was having. Actually they did offer me a new contract but with certain conditions that is unacceptable to me. If i don't accept the conditions then the contract is terminated...

Hmmm. Sounds like what I did in aug-nov 2002, to get enough funding to get started with llblgen pro Laugh. Too bad your contract isn't continued. Dissapointed


wayne (User)   Posted on: 23-Jul-2004 12:07:04.
Hey Regular Smiley i am not gone yet - So why is this thread dying?
It should be immortal (There's suppose to be 52 +- Fridays in a yearWink)

I am still planning to release that task performer for constants that i have promised the guys. I still have 1 week left to do it. Wink

Jeff, IT'S FRIDAY!! Tongue


Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 23-Jul-2004 12:27:58.
hehe Laugh.

I hope I have some good news for Jeff too this afternoon: aggregated typed lists with group by and join with self (multiple times join of table) in a few lines of code Regular Smiley Group by is already working, the aggregated functions are left for this functionality.


wayne (User)   Posted on: 23-Jul-2004 14:05:41.
Otis, have you ever tried to create your own type? like integer or string?

I am trying to create a type called ValidFileName. It must be a type that i don't need to initialize. It must do validation on the contents and further on behave like a string.
Example:
Code:
public string DoIt (ValidFileName FileName)
{

}

I want to use it like this:
Code:
DoIt("c:\test.txt");


Any ideas? It seems like i should create a structure and not derive from ValueType, but a structure needs to implement an interface...what interface do i use as i wanted to use type string as my base.Confused
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 23-Jul-2004 14:39:30.
You can't do that. You can only define a class with a static method.

You could also define a new operator. Regular Smiley I think that's what you want to do.


wayne (User)   Posted on: 23-Jul-2004 15:01:02.
You sure? It is the basis of most modern languages..

Here is how Int32 is done:

MSDN link

But i need a string example
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 23-Jul-2004 15:12:48.
You can't create a type similar to int32, as int32 is a native value type. all other types have to follow the general rules all types have to follow: struct or class and behave like that Regular Smiley

wayne (User)   Posted on: 23-Jul-2004 15:43:01.
ThanksRegular Smiley, i can't believe it!!!Dissapointed it is VERY limiting - especially for a new language...
I can't derive from integer or string!!! - That SUCKS!! Angry

So the only other way is to create a class - with a static method or a class that needs to be constructed first.Sad
jeffreygg (User)   Posted on: 23-Jul-2004 21:36:41.
Well, hello there Wayne. I thought you'd be gone by now...(ooops, did I say that out loud?) Regular Smiley <sigh> I'll miss these regular Friday beatings I take...how will I ever know it's Friday again? As for the new aggregate, grouping, multi-join goodness Frans is throwing in there...I think he definitely deserves a Scooby Snack for that one. Imagine, completely dynamically generated typed (and I do mean "typed") lists on the fly! No regeneration of code! No source control madness! It's a programmer's wet dream!

HEY YOU! Get off your asses, it's only 12:30. The day's only half over. There's work to be done. Put the beer down and GET TO WORK!

Regular Smiley

<that felt good>

Jeff...


Fishy (User)   Posted on: 23-Jul-2004 23:12:23.
Otis wrote:
hehe Laugh.

I hope I have some good news for Jeff too this afternoon: aggregated typed lists with group by and join with self (multiple times join of table) in a few lines of code Regular Smiley Group by is already working, the aggregated functions are left for this functionality.


Confused Are you saying that "(multiple times join of table)" which would be, for example, two Phone Identity fields in one table that point to different records in a different table. That this is just for TypedLists? I thought the Entity would be able to handle this situation as well.

Also, how's the span feature going?

Thanks! Laugh
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 24-Jul-2004 12:24:31.
Fishy wrote:
Otis wrote:
hehe Laugh.

I hope I have some good news for Jeff too this afternoon: aggregated typed lists with group by and join with self (multiple times join of table) in a few lines of code Regular Smiley Group by is already working, the aggregated functions are left for this functionality.


Confused Are you saying that "(multiple times join of table)" which would be, for example, two Phone Identity fields in one table that point to different records in a different table. That this is just for TypedLists? I thought the Entity would be able to handle this situation as well.

It's also for entities, you can create filters with joining multiple times the same table (for example 2 times an address entity).

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Also, how's the span feature going?

That's still on the drawing board. Spans and paging are the last things I'll do in this upgrade cycle as these are to be applied to an already generated query.


wayne (User)   Posted on: 24-Jul-2004 19:36:47.
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Well, hello there Wayne. I thought you'd be gone by now...(ooops, did I say that out loud?) Regular Smiley <sigh> I'll miss these regular Friday beatings I take
No net yet Jeff, only next friday Wink

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...how will I ever know it's Friday again?
It's usually the 5th working day.Tongue
Don't worry i will come around every now and again to remind youWink
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 13-Aug-2004 09:23:56.
And it's friday again!

Today Doom 3 will arrive in Holland. Can't wait! Regular Smiley

I saw on the news that a big storm is torturing florida at the moment. To all our customers there who had/have to evacuate: I hope you are safe.


wayne (User)   Posted on: 13-Aug-2004 14:04:11.
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And it's friday again!

hmm, you beat me - I wanted to remind jeff about friday - shame he has propably been working nonstop for 3 weeks...seeing that i havn't been here to remind him about fridays!Tongue

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Today Doom 3 will arrive in Holland. Can't wait!
Propably should not say this but i got a hacked copy of Doom 3 yesterday.Shocked
sirshannon (User)   Posted on: 13-Aug-2004 14:37:22.
Otis wrote:

Today Doom 3 will arrive in Holland. Can't wait! Regular Smiley

First off, did you wait for Doom 3? It's too tired for me to bring it up again, but I had to kick it a little. Wink

I must tell you, people get the wrong idea about about you from your posts on their blogs. (Maybe I notice this because I have the same problem?) Like that sill debate w/Mr. Gonzales. You are defending yourself too hard and he is/was attacking too hard. If everyone would r-e-l-a-x .... o-o-oo-m-m-m-m-m.... and not have to be so agressive/defensive, we would probably all gain more from the discussion.

I understand that you are being "attacked" as if CodeSmith is a weapon against you and you MUST defend yourself, your tools, and your mindset, but it is all so silly... The guys arguing at you don't really understand the subject well enough to come at you correctly so you have to spend so much time correcting them that it's hard to get to the real point:

It takes a whole box of tools to build a house.

Sure, you can do it by hand, with only a hammer, but you probably had to live in the rain for a year and life was rough for no reason. When the CodeSmith template that worked with LLBLGen to make things even easier and faster for us, you never said anything approaching negative. You were as happy about it as anyone. But, unlike the rest of us, you could have ignored it and made it go away if you were "anti" CodeSmith. But you're not.

You're cursed like me, I think: too stuck on facts to let popular opinion get in your way. Don't you know that you're supposed to hate X if you like Y!?!? How dare you!?!?

Twice this week I've almost jumped in to defend you: once to say explain that you are SURELY not in favor of pirating software, once to explain that you 're not anit-CodeGen and certainly not anti-CodeSmith.

It really does bother me a little, though, because you are forced to spend so much time defending yourself that you never really get a chance to say your honest opinion. The funny thing is, I am just about an LLBLGen Zealot at this point, I just can't bring myself to be as obnoxious as the anti-O/R Mapping guys are. I refuse to get religious about technology. If I can't show you the numbers to prove my side of a math-based argument, I'm not going to bother. I'll just listen and learn.

Maybe you should mention that you posted CodeSmith Templates on your customer-only site. I think some people think that you don't get CodeSmith. The funny thing is, you probably get it more than they do.



Otis wrote:

I saw on the news that a big storm is torturing florida at the moment. To all our customers there who had/have to evacuate: I hope you are safe.



No, it's terrible! There are millions of Floridians headed this way even as I type this!!!!



[For those of you that don't live in the US, or those of you in the US that don't live near Florida, I guess you won't understand... Let's just say that there are probably more nicknames for Floridians than any other section of our country. And http://www.fark.com has many topics but only one is based on a state...]






anyway



T G I F!!!!


[My brain is freakin numb with the work and reqork I've been doing this week. I honestly don't want to imagine what it would be like if I had to do the corrections by hand that LLBLGen has done for me today.]


Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 13-Aug-2004 21:08:08.
wayne wrote:
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And it's friday again!

hmm, you beat me - I wanted to remind jeff about friday - shame he has propably been working nonstop for 3 weeks...seeing that i havn't been here to remind him about fridays!Tongue

Regular Smiley. He probably is indeed...
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Today Doom 3 will arrive in Holland. Can't wait!
Propably should not say this but i got a hacked copy of Doom 3 yesterday.Shocked

heh, well, I'm a nice guy and buy games most of the time Wink. However my dvd/cd drive apparently doesn't like the CD protection scheme, because it fails, crashing the app. Angry, so I did have to apply the no-cd crack...
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 13-Aug-2004 21:35:10.
sirshannon wrote:
Otis wrote:

Today Doom 3 will arrive in Holland. Can't wait! Regular Smiley

First off, did you wait for Doom 3? It's too tired for me to bring it up again, but I had to kick it a little. Wink

heh Regular Smiley yeah, I did. Regular Smiley I had 100MB downloaded and thought... no, just wait till 13th (Friday the 13th hehe). Often bought games seem to be better than downloaded games, at least I have that feeling.

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I must tell you, people get the wrong idea about about you from your posts on their blogs. (Maybe I notice this because I have the same problem?) Like that sill debate w/Mr. Gonzales. You are defending yourself too hard and he is/was attacking too hard. If everyone would r-e-l-a-x .... o-o-oo-m-m-m-m-m.... and not have to be so agressive/defensive, we would probably all gain more from the discussion.

It was a thing I couldn't win. What was really bad was that he accused me from the start with things I didn't do. He apparently had a problem with me and I didn't even know the guy. It went on and on, I tried to stay polite so the only jerk in the discussion would be him, he appologized once but that didn't help a lot. I'm now on his 'global ignore list' according to his blog, well, he has to do what he has to do Regular Smiley. My time is too precious to debate with people who deliberately want to accuse me of something and tell the world I'm an arrogant bastard.

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I understand that you are being "attacked" as if CodeSmith is a weapon against you and you MUST defend yourself, your tools, and your mindset, but it is all so silly... The guys arguing at you don't really understand the subject well enough to come at you correctly so you have to spend so much time correcting them that it's hard to get to the real point:

It takes a whole box of tools to build a house.

The problem with the www.asp.net forums is indeed that there are too many people with too much time on their hands and too less knowledge of the field they're talking about. That could be ok, but they just go on and on, repeat what they think etc. etc. After 14 years of usenet postings I've learned that when you've said what you had to say, stop. There is no use repeating what you already said. Thomas is / was right in that thread: often the people are stupid and don't understand what they're talking about. I learned it's not that wise to speak that out in the open, but boy do my fingers hurt sometimes Regular Smiley

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Sure, you can do it by hand, with only a hammer, but you probably had to live in the rain for a year and life was rough for no reason. When the CodeSmith template that worked with LLBLGen to make things even easier and faster for us, you never said anything approaching negative. You were as happy about it as anyone. But, unlike the rest of us, you could have ignored it and made it go away if you were "anti" CodeSmith. But you're not.

I don't see codesmith as a competitor nor as a tool that should be attacked or something. It's a tool which can be handy. If some people make great things with it, like Bert and others are doing now, I only find that great Regular Smiley. Of course, it would be better if there was some kind of task performer which could read <% %> templates but for the time being till I've written that class, codesmith will do Regular Smiley

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You're cursed like me, I think: too stuck on facts to let popular opinion get in your way. Don't you know that you're supposed to hate X if you like Y!?!? How dare you!?!?

haha Regular Smiley Indeed.

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Twice this week I've almost jumped in to defend you: once to say explain that you are SURELY not in favor of pirating software, once to explain that you 're not anit-CodeGen and certainly not anti-CodeSmith.

Am I in favor of pirating software? Who said that? I missed that one. I'm not anti-code generators, on the contrary haha Regular Smiley. I do however think that code generators like other tools are more and more seen as 'solutions' while they're tools to realize those solutions.

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It really does bother me a little, though, because you are forced to spend so much time defending yourself that you never really get a chance to say your honest opinion. The funny thing is, I am just about an LLBLGen Zealot at this point, I just can't bring myself to be as obnoxious as the anti-O/R Mapping guys are. I refuse to get religious about technology. If I can't show you the numbers to prove my side of a math-based argument, I'm not going to bother. I'll just listen and learn.

Well saying my honest opinion is not possible anymore. As someone said in the www.asp.net thread (to thomas) : you are the corporate image. I have to hold myself back often in discussions when someone thinks he has to tell me that I'm an asshole, are arrogant or whatever. What helps is to reply with a piece of text where you make the accuser the real jerk and not yourself, as accusing someone of something is 'not done' in a discussion. But sometimes that's not good enough. Well, the last couple of years I then think: "and how many people are paying attention to YOUR opinion?". I mean: if some college kid with a keyboard is calling you names on a forum, is that really important? Of course not, who cares about that opinion.

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Maybe you should mention that you posted CodeSmith Templates on your customer-only site. I think some people think that you don't get CodeSmith. The funny thing is, you probably get it more than they do.

I did mention that in the thread, but it shows how good they read and are willing to have a good debate... they totally ignored it. Which means, the thread is not worth participating in anymore. Ah well... Regular Smiley


wayne (User)   Posted on: 16-Aug-2004 17:23:47.
On what forum did this discussion take place exactly? Confused
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 16-Aug-2004 18:25:04.
wayne wrote:
On what forum did this discussion take place exactly? Confused

www.asp.net forums. Regular Smiley This fine discussion: http://www.asp.net/Forums/ShowPost.aspx?tabindex=1&PostID=651804


wayne (User)   Posted on: 17-Aug-2004 13:38:19.
Ever seen this before? http://www.mslinux.org/

funny.Regular Smiley

swallace (User)   Posted on: 18-Aug-2004 00:16:32.
Wow, that thread on ASP.NET is vicious.

Once again, Thomas shows his worth. What a shame. I wonder how many employees he has. What a wonderful place to work that must be. Wink



Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 18-Aug-2004 09:47:20.
swallace wrote:
Wow, that thread on ASP.NET is vicious.

Once again, Thomas shows his worth. What a shame. I wonder how many employees he has. What a wonderful place to work that must be. Wink


hahah Regular Smiley 1 employee I think. He's not that bad in real life though.
wayne (User)   Posted on: 20-Aug-2004 12:55:14.
Its Friday! The weekend is almost here...only 4 more hours. Regular Smiley

I had a very nice week - I had to go back into old Delphi code to add a new feature to a old ISAPI dll. - WOW - I could not believe that i actualy remembered all the shortcuts and syntax. It was nice to revisit old Delphi 5 (The good old days) Regular Smiley but it also made me realise how far technology has gone in 3 years from the old ISAPI days to .Net.


netclectic (User)   Posted on: 20-Aug-2004 14:54:52.
wayne wrote:
I had to go back into old Delphi code to add a new feature to a old ISAPI dll. - WOW - I could not believe that i actualy remembered all the shortcuts and syntax. It was nice to revisit old Delphi 5 (The good old days) Regular Smiley

I notice when going back to Delphi that i never have a problem remembering the delphi shortcuts and syntax but when i return ro .net i'm all confused and end up trying to use delphi shortcuts in the the vs ide. Confused
wayne (User)   Posted on: 03-Sep-2004 10:22:17.
Regular Smiley Happy days people!!! Regular Smiley

It is friday and almost weekend. Regular Smiley


jeffreygg (User)   Posted on: 03-Sep-2004 10:50:14.
Yes, it is Friday. It's 2:00 a.m. here, so, yes, I believe that counts as Friday.

Shocked Dissapointed

Jeff...
netclectic (User)   Posted on: 03-Sep-2004 10:52:34.
Yep, it's Friday and i'm going to see The Mooney Suzuki tonight Regular Smiley

And tomorrow is my cousin's 21st birthday party with lots & lots of nubile young lovelies Laugh


Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 03-Sep-2004 10:57:50.
jeffreygg wrote:
Yes, it is Friday. It's 2:00 a.m. here, so, yes, I believe that counts as Friday.

heheh Regular Smiley I have the feeling Caden is getting more sleep than you Wink
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 03-Sep-2004 10:59:51.
netclectic wrote:
Yep, it's Friday and i'm going to see The Mooney Suzuki tonight Regular Smiley

Sounds like a lot of fun! Regular Smiley

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And tomorrow is my cousin's 21st birthday party with lots & lots of nubile young lovelies Laugh

hehehe Laugh.


jeffreygg (User)   Posted on: 03-Sep-2004 11:15:36.
Otis wrote:
heheh Regular Smiley I have the feeling Caden is getting more sleep than you Wink

Grrrr....Looks like it's going to be another Starbucks morning... Laugh
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 03-Sep-2004 11:24:56.
jeffreygg wrote:
Otis wrote:
heheh Regular Smiley I have the feeling Caden is getting more sleep than you Wink

Grrrr....Looks like it's going to be another Starbucks morning... Laugh

Laugh Ah well, I think it's worth it. Regular Smiley How's he doing, btw?


jeffreygg (User)   Posted on: 03-Sep-2004 11:46:19.
Otis wrote:
Laugh Ah well, I think it's worth it. Regular Smiley How's he doing, btw?

Laugh Very well, thanks for asking. Laugh. He still getting used to the whole, you know, open air, breathing, eating, and pooping thing. But, he's getting the hang of it. I think the transition is harder on Christina and I Wink. Check out my family blog (http://www.gilbertnet.net) for a funny story that happened the other night. Hilarious. We have our first family "emergency" story. <sniff>I'm so proud!. Heh...

Jeff...
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 03-Sep-2004 12:42:20.
jeffreygg wrote:
Otis wrote:
Laugh Ah well, I think it's worth it. Regular Smiley How's he doing, btw?

Laugh Very well, thanks for asking. Laugh. He still getting used to the whole, you know, open air, breathing, eating, and pooping thing. But, he's getting the hang of it. I think the transition is harder on Christina and I Wink. Check out my family blog (http://www.gilbertnet.net) for a funny story that happened the other night. Hilarious. We have our first family "emergency" story. <sniff>I'm so proud!. Heh...
Jeff...

LOL Laugh Regular Smiley Great story indeed! Laugh. Glad to hear the big man is doing great Regular Smiley


wayne (User)   Posted on: 03-Sep-2004 15:18:53.
Yes, great story - and i like the pics - are you the man with the black hear, Cap & beard?

wayne (User)   Posted on: 03-Sep-2004 15:30:51.
Hey frans, Is this picture on the forum really you? or is it fake?

Hmmm. maybe you should post some pictures on your blog - so we can see what the head quaters of Solution Design looks like - Oh ja and some more upto date pics of you.


Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 03-Sep-2004 15:46:09.
wayne wrote:
Hey frans, Is this picture on the forum really you? or is it fake?

No, that's me Regular Smiley (2 years ago, but today I look just the same)
swallace (User)   Posted on: 03-Sep-2004 17:24:39.
I changed my picture to what I really look like, but only for 24 hours. I don't want to scare anyone!



(Ok, that's not really me.)



JohnRLewis (User)   Posted on: 03-Sep-2004 17:28:39.
swallace wrote:
I changed my picture to what I really look like, but only for 24 hours. I don't want to scare anyone!

Yikes.... I'm scared!!!
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 03-Sep-2004 17:41:22.
swallace wrote:
I changed my picture to what I really look like, but only for 24 hours. I don't want to scare anyone!

Hey, where did you get that picture of me!





Wink

Quote:

(Ok, that's not really me.)

Sure, and I'm the pope Wink Tongue


swallace (User)   Posted on: 03-Sep-2004 19:40:29.
Actually, it is similar to what I look like after a long day of coding. Regular Smiley

The full-size image is even worse. I think he's blind in one eye. You can see it at http://www.developerfood.com/pictures/holycow.jpg

I'll change back to the happy "Norm" face tomorrow. That image comes from the comic strip "The Norm" (http://www.thenorm.com). I don't look anything like Norm, either. It's the hair...

Jeff, I like the "Beaker" image you use. I remember a joking reference recently, someone was wondering if that girl who was Scott Peterson's mistress, Amber Frey, whether her real father was "Beaker." The similarities are uncanny:


http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/LAW/11/14/peterson.hearing/story.peterson.frey.ap.jpg

and

http://www.biedl.de/bilder/muppets/beaker.gif

jeffreygg (User)   Posted on: 03-Sep-2004 21:11:16.
wayne wrote:
Yes, great story - and i like the pics - are you the man with the black hear, Cap & beard?



Heh, yea that's me Regular Smiley. (/e writes a note to remove all incriminating photos from the web site) I never figured it was possible, but somewhere between 22 and 29 I gained enough weight to give a large, fully mature, bison a heart attack. I never should have left my olympic gymnast job for programming. What was I thinking?

swallace: Heh, yea I like the pic too. Reminds me of home. (huh?) It was either beaker or the mad cook.

Ummm...hello? HELLO! (echo echo echo). Oh, yea. Everyone's gone for the day and I'm the only one here working. <grumble>

Jeff...

<edit>You know, I think we should all change our pictures to a real picture of ourselves for one day so we can all put names to faces. Who knows but someday one of you might decide to come to the Asparagus Festival in Stockton and we'd pass each other, and there wouldn't be so much as a flicker of recognition before we continued eating our asparagus ice cream. How sad would that be! Actually, I hate asparagus, but it made for such a great word-picture I couldn't help it. Laugh


swallace (User)   Posted on: 04-Sep-2004 17:54:48.
Ok, I posted an icon that really looks like me.
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 05-Sep-2004 11:16:41.
swallace wrote:
Ok, I posted an icon that really looks like me.

It looks like one of your kids is a true picasso, Scott! Laugh


wayne (User)   Posted on: 06-Sep-2004 09:26:29.
Quote:
Ok, I posted an icon that really looks like me.

Wait, i think i might have seen you somewhere before.
wayne (User)   Posted on: 06-Sep-2004 09:35:27.
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I never figured it was possible, but somewhere between 22 and 29 I gained enough weight to give a large, fully mature, bison a heart attack.


At the end of high school i weight 65Kg now 8 years later i am a huge 95Kg. Where did i go wrong...maybe it was all the cofee, fast foods and choosing a job where i have to sit all day long.

Don't forget the married live also adds a few kg's. Tongue


wayne (User)   Posted on: 10-Sep-2004 15:09:35.
OK, it friday 15:00 and i am bored - me wanna go home...

Today is a wonderfull 28 degrees in Cape TownCool, my office overlooks cape town and the bay and i wish that i don't have to be in this damm office!!!!Angry Let me out!, Let me out!

Is there any interesting information that somebody wants to share with me? Anything, please... ENTERTAIN ME!!!!

netclectic (User)   Posted on: 10-Sep-2004 15:49:50.
wayne wrote:
Is there any interesting information that somebody wants to share with me? Anything, please... ENTERTAIN ME!!!!

Build your own satellite: http://www.cubesatkit.com/


wayne (User)   Posted on: 10-Sep-2004 16:00:07.
I saw that on your website. (the most useless website in the world...) hehe funny...Laugh
netclectic (User)   Posted on: 10-Sep-2004 16:06:37.
well apart from the Self-sustaining killer robot, that's pretty much the only interesting thing i've seen all day. Dissapointed

swallace (User)   Posted on: 10-Sep-2004 16:11:47.
Mildly entertaining: Spider-man reviews Crayons!

http://x-entertainment.com/articles/0913/

Courtesy of my favorite source of useless entertainment, GeekPress.com:

http://www.geekpress.com


swallace (User)   Posted on: 10-Sep-2004 16:14:31.
Today's optical illusion.

Remember, it's an illusion. They are not actually moving, it's not an animated gif.

http://fun.drno.de/pics/donwave.gif

Freak out!



netclectic (User)   Posted on: 10-Sep-2004 16:18:18.
swallace wrote:
Today's optical illusion.

No workey Angry
wayne (User)   Posted on: 10-Sep-2004 16:18:57.
netclectic wrote:
Self-sustaining killer robot

Hmm, wonder where is it going to get power once it ate all the flies.Regular Smiley


wayne (User)   Posted on: 10-Sep-2004 16:26:03.
I better not tell my wife about this - Why an orgasm really is all in the mind

I might find myself retrenched.
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 10-Sep-2004 16:41:36.
hehe good ones Laugh

IF I'm bored, I always go to: http://www.despair.com/indem.html and check out the various posters. Laugh Truly top entertainment Regular Smiley


wayne (User)   Posted on: 10-Sep-2004 20:55:08.
ha ha ha!!! Laugh Laugh

This despair stuff is excellent!!

I hope this site is a joke and not a real company! - How do you like the copyright of the
Frowny

So i guess i am not allowed to do this... :-(
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 10-Sep-2004 20:57:31.
hehe no it's a real company! Regular Smiley You can buy all these posters from them (or from www.thinkgeek.com for example). Excellent gifts for co-workers Wink

Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 10-Sep-2004 21:21:30.
Btw, this is also great fun, I ran into the site half an hour ago: http://digilander.libero.it/chiediloapippo/Engineering/iarchitect/shame.htm
jeffreygg (User)   Posted on: 10-Sep-2004 21:47:33.
Hmmm...message #180 and counting...

Jeff...


wayne (User)   Posted on: 10-Sep-2004 21:52:32.
As i said before, this is an immortal thread as every week contains a Friday. Regular Smiley
swallace (User)   Posted on: 10-Sep-2004 22:30:59.
Just think about the complexity of working for Despair, Inc.

Do they hold demotivational meetings for their employees? What disincentive packages do they offer? Can you be fired for having a positive attitude?

Imagine interviewing for a job. Do you strike a positive tone, or bring it down in order to fit in? Do you answer the question, "What was your greatest failure at your last job" with a note of pride? Shame when describing your successes? Do you leave your M.B.A. off your resume to enhance your chances of a placement?

My brain hurts!



Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 10-Sep-2004 23:30:07.
hahaha Laugh
wayne (User)   Posted on: 11-Sep-2004 08:58:45.
Yeh, be misserable if you get paid to much and be happy about working over weekends. Tongue

Im going to look at cars today, my 1996 Opel Astra is starting to give problems. And i want to get rid of it while i can still get some money for it. I enjoy looking at cars, but cars are so expensive here - Double the price of cars in the UK.


Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 11-Sep-2004 11:30:31.
wayne wrote:

Im going to look at cars today, my 1996 Opel Astra is starting to give problems. And i want to get rid of it while i can still get some money for it. I enjoy looking at cars, but cars are so expensive here - Double the price of cars in the UK.

Opel Astra... I had one for 4 weeks once when I was a consultant at CMG. At 120 KM/h the oil pump broke in half, losing all the oil on the highway... (it was a brand new car Regular Smiley). The mechanic picking me up: "Oh, that happens in every 100,000 cars".... but I'll never drive an Opel again (although the car wasn't that bad).

You'd expect that major car manufacturers would have factories on the african continent as well, to safe shipping costs. Also, aren't korean and japanese cars less expensive there, as the shipping costs for these is 1/2 the costs of shipping them to europe Regular Smiley
wayne (User)   Posted on: 11-Sep-2004 14:23:31.
Quote:
You'd expect that major car manufacturers would have factories on the african continent as well, to safe shipping costs. Also, aren't korean and japanese cars less expensive there, as the shipping costs for these is 1/2 the costs of shipping them to europe Regular Smiley


Thats the shocker, they do have factories in SA. Opel, Volkswagen, Mercedes, Ford and Isuzu are manuafactured in Port Elizabeth. Ford has the minority of the market and only have their bottom range cars here. Toyota does not have a factory here as far as i know.

Toyota is japense they have majority of the market followed by Opel, but the toyota corrola is in the same price range as the opel astra, the rest of the japense and korean cars Dawoo and Hyuandia (mind spelling) do not have any resel value and is also not very reliable. Hyuandia went under about 2 years ago in SA and was bought by another car manufacturer. There was no local parts for them until beginning of this year.

A Opel astra 1.6 and Toyota Carolla is roughly R 170 000 here that is 21 250 Euros devide by 8 i think.


Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 13-Sep-2004 10:45:13.
wayne wrote:
Quote:
You'd expect that major car manufacturers would have factories on the african continent as well, to safe shipping costs. Also, aren't korean and japanese cars less expensive there, as the shipping costs for these is 1/2 the costs of shipping them to europe Regular Smiley


Thats the shocker, they do have factories in SA. Opel, Volkswagen, Mercedes, Ford and Isuzu are manuafactured in Port Elizabeth. Ford has the minority of the market and only have their bottom range cars here. Toyota does not have a factory here as far as i know.

whoa... indeed weird. Well, perhaps the SA government does what the Dutch government does: add a large percentage to the price of the car for environment taxes. (I'm ok with that, but it makes hte car much more expensive, think 20+ %)

Quote:

A Opel astra 1.6 and Toyota Carolla is roughly R 170 000 here that is 21 250 Euros devide by 8 i think.

That's about the price here (slightly lower here)
wayne (User)   Posted on: 13-Sep-2004 12:52:14.
So what type of automobile do you have?

I might wait till Jan 2005 before buying a car, seeing that my work enviroment is very unstable at the momment.

But i did find 3 secondhand cars that i like:
1. 2001 Renault Cliio 1.6 Sport - R 103 000
2. 2001 Opel Astra 1.6 CDE - R 89 000
3. 2001 Opel Astra 1.6 CDE - R 79 000

As i said "I might wait" but also dont want to "wait"...if you know what i mean.Regular Smiley


Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 13-Sep-2004 13:54:48.
wayne wrote:
So what type of automobile do you have?

A mercedes A140 and a Ford Ka Regular Smiley

Quote:
I might wait till Jan 2005 before buying a car, seeing that my work enviroment is very unstable at the momment.

But i did find 3 secondhand cars that i like:
1. 2001 Renault Cliio 1.6 Sport - R 103 000
2. 2001 Opel Astra 1.6 CDE - R 89 000
3. 2001 Opel Astra 1.6 CDE - R 79 000

As i said "I might wait" but also dont want to "wait"...if you know what i mean.Regular Smiley

heh Regular Smiley. Well the value of a car (except when it's a ferrari) is degrading by the minute, so if you are unsure about your income situation, don't buy a car Regular Smiley
netclectic (User)   Posted on: 17-Sep-2004 14:52:29.
Well done everybody, we made it to another Friday Regular Smiley

wayne (User)   Posted on: 17-Sep-2004 15:23:16.
Yeah!! Regular Smiley
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 17-Sep-2004 15:29:30.
Regular Smiley

What I wonder is... where's Jeff? He must be sleeping 24/7 now I think...


wayne (User)   Posted on: 23-Sep-2004 15:25:24.
Its Friday! ......Confused.....Ok its almost like a friday today. Wink

Tomorrow is a public holiday in SA that means that the weekend starts early this week. Cool

Just 2 more hours, then it will be looong weekend Regular Smiley

Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 23-Sep-2004 15:47:03.
Lucky b*st*rd! Laugh.

bertcord (User)   Posted on: 24-Sep-2004 19:40:18.
Laugh Laugh Laugh

so it sFriday here in sunny Hawaii. I just woke up and its 7:30 in the morning. Figured I would find a computer and share it with you guys. I have another week in Hawaii and then its back to work.

ok time to go get my eat on and check out the pool

Bert

Tongue Tongue
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 24-Sep-2004 20:13:32.
bertcord wrote:
Laugh Laugh Laugh

so it sFriday here in sunny Hawaii. I just woke up and its 7:30 in the morning. Figured I would find a computer and share it with you guys. I have another week in Hawaii and then its back to work.

ok time to go get my eat on and check out the pool

Bert

Tongue Tongue

hehe cool! Regular Smiley Enjoy the fun and sun! Regular Smiley (btw, 7:30 am, and you are awake on a vacation? Wink Or are you a morning-person? (I'm not even awake at 8am during workweeks Cool )


wayne (User)   Posted on: 24-Sep-2004 21:41:24.
Quote:
(I'm not even awake at 8am during workweeks)

We've noticed Wink

I wakeup at 07:50 and only get out of bed at 08:10. At 08:25 I jump in my car and race through the 35km traffic to be at work at 09:00 - But i only officially wakeup at 09:30 after having my 2nd cup of coffee Laugh.

No Coffee..
No Workee. Tongue
jeffreygg (User)   Posted on: 24-Sep-2004 22:09:53.
bertcord wrote:
Laugh Laugh Laugh

so it sFriday here in sunny Hawaii. I just woke up and its 7:30 in the morning. Figured I would find a computer and share it with you guys. I have another week in Hawaii and then its back to work.

ok time to go get my eat on and check out the pool

Bert

Tongue Tongue



OK, that's just plain mean. Regular Smiley


Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 24-Sep-2004 22:20:43.
Hey! Look who's back! Where have you been? Wink
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 24-Sep-2004 22:21:34.
wayne wrote:
Quote:
(I'm not even awake at 8am during workweeks)

We've noticed Wink

heh Laugh

Quote:

I wakeup at 07:50 and only get out of bed at 08:10. At 08:25 I jump in my car and race through the 35km traffic to be at work at 09:00 - But i only officially wakeup at 09:30 after having my 2nd cup of coffee Laugh.

Fortunately I only have to walk down a flight of stairs Regular Smiley
Quote:

No Coffee..
No Workee. Tongue

You got that right. Regular Smiley


jeffreygg (User)   Posted on: 25-Sep-2004 00:18:16.
Otis wrote:
Hey! Look who's back! Where have you been? Wink


Ack! Major release mode. Things are starting to settle down again, thankfully. Regular Smiley

Jeff...
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 25-Sep-2004 11:44:08.
jeffreygg wrote:
Otis wrote:
Hey! Look who's back! Where have you been? Wink


Ack! Major release mode. Things are starting to settle down again, thankfully. Regular Smiley

Jeff...

I know how you feel Regular Smiley


wayne (User)   Posted on: 27-Sep-2004 14:19:53.
203 + posts Heeee jaaah!! Tongue
wayne (User)   Posted on: 01-Oct-2004 14:50:51.
Today is Friday!!!! End of the week, yes Laugh

MattWoberts (User)   Posted on: 01-Oct-2004 15:16:09.
Anyone got any more end-of-week websites Wink


One of my all-time favourites, and highly recommended....

http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/


wayne (User)   Posted on: 01-Oct-2004 15:52:18.
This is quite a entertaining website. - http://www.collusion.org/Response.cfm?ID=324

If you are into M$ vs Linux and alot of swearing...


Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 01-Oct-2004 15:53:17.
The site I always read at lunch: http://www.cagle.com/ Regular Smiley
MattWoberts (User)   Posted on: 01-Oct-2004 16:15:57.
Good to see some well thought out and clearly presented arguments for Linux Vs Windows.... Tongue

sirshannon (User)   Posted on: 01-Oct-2004 19:17:42.
MattWoberts wrote:
Anyone got any more end-of-week websites Wink


One of my all-time favourites, and highly recommended....

http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/







The everyday happenings of Weebl and sometimes Weebl's friend Bob

http://www.weebl.jolt.co.uk/

bertcord (User)   Posted on: 02-Oct-2004 05:06:48.
Otis wrote:
hehe cool! Regular Smiley Enjoy the fun and sun! Regular Smiley (btw, 7:30 am, and you are awake on a vacation? Wink Or are you a morning-person? (I'm not even awake at 8am during workweeks Cool )



nope not a morning person at all...but 7:30 Hawaii time is 1:30PM East Coast time... I never got adjusted over here.

...so for me know it is 5pm on Friday ...gogin out for my last night in Hawaii Sad Sad
bujt I guess its time to get back to work

bert


Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 02-Oct-2004 11:17:09.
bertcord wrote:
Otis wrote:
hehe cool! Regular Smiley Enjoy the fun and sun! Regular Smiley (btw, 7:30 am, and you are awake on a vacation? Wink Or are you a morning-person? (I'm not even awake at 8am during workweeks Cool )



nope not a morning person at all...but 7:30 Hawaii time is 1:30PM East Coast time... I never got adjusted over here.

...so for me know it is 5pm on Friday ...gogin out for my last night in Hawaii Sad Sad
bujt I guess its time to get back to work
bert

Jetlags can be killing indeed...

I assume the shock will be huge when you get back from paradise in the sun back to the desktop at work... Well, at least I think I have a little present for you next week: a C# template engine task performer Regular Smiley
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 03-Oct-2004 17:16:42.
See for an example about how great the C# template engine will become here: (sorry, I'm just happy the thing works Regular Smiley)

http://www.llblgen.com/tinyforum/Messages.aspx?ThreadID=1446#8347


swallace (User)   Posted on: 16-Oct-2004 03:48:48.
Ok, it's now Saturday in most time zones, but I'm glad this week is over.

I'm working with a customer whose database is stripped naked. No PKs, no FKs, and no plans to implement them. "Too slow! Too big! Too much bad data already to fix it!" Right. Everything is indexed, but nothing is related. Trying to change minds here is like pushing a string.

What a week, trying to produce valid information from this mush. What's surprising is that it's a big customer, well known (I won't say who), with a live internet-based exposure. Go figure.

Ah, Saturday. Sleeping late, fingers off the keyboard, watching the Yankees win the Penant.

See you guys Monday.

Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 16-Oct-2004 10:49:24.
swallace wrote:
Ok, it's now Saturday in most time zones, but I'm glad this week is over.

I'm working with a customer whose database is stripped naked. No PKs, no FKs, and no plans to implement them. "Too slow! Too big! Too much bad data already to fix it!" Right. Everything is indexed, but nothing is related. Trying to change minds here is like pushing a string.

Shocked

Some people should just be ordered to step away from keyboards, and be delegated to supervise the printer's paperbin.

Quote:

What a week, trying to produce valid information from this mush. What's surprising is that it's a big customer, well known (I won't say who), with a live internet-based exposure. Go figure.

Bigger doesn't have to mean better Regular Smiley At Cap Gemini (europe's largest IT consultancy firm) they have a saying: "Right below the lighthouse, it's always dark", which means something like "it's a beacon for the world but not for itself". They use it for commenting on their own IT infrastructure Wink

Quote:

Ah, Saturday. Sleeping late, fingers off the keyboard, watching the Yankees win the Penant.
See you guys Monday.

Yankees, that's baseball, right? Regular Smiley

Have a good weekend, Scott Regular Smiley


wayne (User)   Posted on: 29-Oct-2004 15:20:45.
I havn't done this for a while....JEFF, IT'S FRIDAY!!!! Tongue

swallace (User)   Posted on: 29-Oct-2004 16:27:53.
Ok, was anyone else (on this continent) spooked by the idea that Boston Red Sox won the World Series on the same night of a lunar eclipse?

Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 29-Oct-2004 17:09:21.
There was a lunar eclipse? Hmmm.

I just got an exception at line 666, dunno if it has anything to do with halloween but it was kinda spooky (ok, oracle code, nothing new of course Wink)
sirshannon (User)   Posted on: 29-Oct-2004 17:52:42.
Otis wrote:
I just got an exception at line 666, dunno if it has anything to do with halloween but it was kinda spooky


Speaking of spooky, I have a scary meeting coming up in an hour and I swear yesterday's Dilbert strip sums up at least half of it:
http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20041028.html


sirshannon (User)   Posted on: 29-Oct-2004 17:54:07.
whoa... I didn't know we could post anonymously, I assumed I was logged in when I posted that. When did that happen?
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 29-Oct-2004 18:14:30.
sirshannon wrote:
whoa... I didn't know we could post anonymously, I assumed I was logged in when I posted that. When did that happen?

Hmmm. The Anonymous Coward is an existing user, I'll try to reproduce what you experienced. just a sec.


Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 29-Oct-2004 18:15:03.
Otis wrote:
sirshannon wrote:
whoa... I didn't know we could post anonymously, I assumed I was logged in when I posted that. When did that happen?

Hmmm. The Anonymous Coward is an existing user, I'll try to reproduce what you experienced. just a sec.

Test
Hmm. Some crappy code from my part! Will fix this hole immediately.
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 29-Oct-2004 18:42:02.
Ok it seems to work again, the messages are set back to the users they posted them (thankfully IPs are tracked Tongue).

I'll now check where the bug is located.


wayne (User)   Posted on: 01-Nov-2004 10:02:47.
Hi FB

I know you are always so busy and we always keep asking for new features - but i was wondering if you had any plan to develop visual Library that wrapps the underlying generated DL classes?

Now the question is why and where would i use this? I am thinking in areas where i use visual control - grids and reporting. I always had this feeling that a visual LLBLGen control would be nice - so you could configure it at design time and connect it to grid.- but you don't want one for every DAL Object!!

This is for self serv of course. Regular Smiley
What i am talking about is Componenent that uses the Adapter Pattern to wrap a selected DAL Collection. - But how would you know which class to wrap?

I thought about it and came up with the following - You will drop this component on Design area - have a property in the inspector where you select an enum matching the name of the collection \ TypedList object in the DL - there after the visual component will use a simple factory to create an instance of the object being represented by the enum.

It is only an idea...what do you think? Will such a thing be usefull?


Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 01-Nov-2004 10:36:32.
wayne wrote:
Hi FB

I know you are always so busy and we always keep asking for new features - but i was wondering if you had any plan to develop visual Library that wrapps the underlying generated DL classes?

Now the question is why and where would i use this? I am thinking in areas where i use visual control - grids and reporting. I always had this feeling that a visual LLBLGen control would be nice - so you could configure it at design time and connect it to grid.- but you don't want one for every DAL Object!!

If there was only a way to make design time databinding work I'd be very happy. All attempts have failed, I even sent code to Microsoft, they promissed to look at it a couple of times but never did. I heared from other people who also had to work with the gore details of design time databinding that it is simply broken, even for datasets (works ok in 2, 3 levels of hierarchies, goes bezerk when the hierarchy is 10 or higher as it seems). So the only thing I could conclude was that I have to wait till 2005 and the new interfaces which will offer design time support.

Quote:

This is for self serv of course. Regular Smiley
What i am talking about is Componenent that uses the Adapter Pattern to wrap a selected DAL Collection. - But how would you know which class to wrap?

I thought about it and came up with the following - You will drop this component on Design area - have a property in the inspector where you select an enum matching the name of the collection \ TypedList object in the DL - there after the visual component will use a simple factory to create an instance of the object being represented by the enum.

It is only an idea...what do you think? Will such a thing be usefull?

It will not work, as there is no way I could get the objects to work in the grid designers, where you select the datasource for a grid. It did work for some situations though, but failed miserably when 2 entities had a m:n relation so they point to eachother. Because the VS.NET 2003 ide is so crappy it only throws errors like "the specified method is not supported" at you, without telling you which method, where and why nor is there 1 line of documentation to get you started (not even in the vsip sdk) so I'm pretty much out of options. There is 0.0 documentation on this, so I can start writing some component which at design time fakes properties and what have you so you can make designers think they bind to some datasource, but that's not easy code, and I have no clue how to debug that, what to implement to get it working etc... After 3 weeks of trying I gave up. It's not good for your heart to keep trying to get that kind of code working without any documentation, I can tell you that Wink.


wayne (User)   Posted on: 01-Nov-2004 10:51:28.
Oh well, maybe next year Wink
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 01-Nov-2004 11:51:06.
Yeah in 2005 definitely. Regular Smiley

netclectic (User)   Posted on: 05-Nov-2004 10:42:07.
Well it's friday again. I'm not celebrating today though cos my head hurts after an accidental drinking session last night Confused

It was fun at the time, but was it worth it?
swallace (User)   Posted on: 10-Dec-2004 21:06:27.
(reviving a classic thread)

It's Friday!

I work in the goofiest place. Every few weeks they come up with some kind of trinket gift for the employees. Flower vases, CDs, calendars, etc. They cater lunch about every other week, usually with a theme. Last one was 'Pirate food.' Or was it the pre-Thanksgiving meal? Either way...

Today it's a holiday fruit and nut box. Four large bags of flavored almonds, a pound of pistachios, some oranges and pomegranets, and other stuff.

And it's just the beginning. They call it their 'twelve days of christmas,' and I'm told to expect more every day until the big day.

It's wacky, and I love it!

(It's a large, privately owned company you've never heard of, and I'm reluctant to say the name, lest you try to steal my job. Don't ask.)





Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 11-Dec-2004 14:42:46.
Whoa, that's indeed an odd place Regular Smiley On one side they have a whole team cooking up wicked lunches as it seems and on the other side, they have a whole team cooking up the most wicked database schema's in history Wink

I'm not sure the lunches compensate enough for the horrors you've to deal with when it comes to their database schemes, Scott Wink
swallace (User)   Posted on: 11-Dec-2004 17:18:13.
Quote:
I'm not sure the lunches compensate enough

I agree, though there's a manager here who clearly has a long-term vision that includes CMMI Level 2 and diminsioned databases. Without his vision I'd be out of there, no matter how many fruits and nuts they throw at me!


Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 13-Dec-2004 10:37:29.
swallace wrote:
Quote:
I'm not sure the lunches compensate enough

I agree, though there's a manager here who clearly has a long-term vision that includes CMMI Level 2 and diminsioned databases. Without his vision I'd be out of there, no matter how many fruits and nuts they throw at me!

CMMI Level 2... I have no clue what that is, could you explain it a bit? Dimensioned databases, as in OLAP stuff? according to MS, it's the future Regular Smiley
swallace (User)   Posted on: 13-Dec-2004 14:57:35.
CMMI is the Capability Maturity Model Integration from Carnegie Mellon University. It provides models for process improvement, through documentation, improvement through standarized processes, process modeling, and certification of processes. You can't get more retentive than CMMI.

Some branches of US military use CMMI for software development because it allows a high degree of documentation, which makes it easier to work with contractors. It also follows the rule of 'you might get blown up, so document.' The US military is quite naturally concerned about getting blown up, and the consequences thereof.

http://www.sei.cmu.edu/cmmi/adoption/cmmi-start.html

CMMI takes money to burn because you spend a large amount of your time talking and writing about how you spend your time.

What it prevents is dealing with customers who don't know what they want. The processes for requirements gathering are well defined, and the financial consequences for changes are explicitly spelled out. This is good when dealing with a customer base in the thousands.

Of course, for small shops it's a burden. In Oklahoma City there can't be more than a half dozen places even thinking about CMMI. I like nimble coding, but not when the customer base is large and well distributed across the globe. CMMI makes everyone happy in those circumstances.

What was the other question?



swallace (User)   Posted on: 13-Dec-2004 14:59:48.
Oh yes, OLAP. The databases in this shop are well tuned for high-speed transactions. Naturally, I have responsibility for getting reporting-style information. Sad

I'm working to get some OLAP stuff implemented to get historical trend information. I've done it in MS SQL, but this is an Oracle shop, and I'm feeling a bit confused. Any suggestions by anyone for good books or websites is appreciated.

And yes, I'm hoping that LLBLGen will someday provides features for OLAP! Regular Smiley

Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 15-Dec-2004 12:49:33.
CMMI sounds like a lot of work. (but indeed in the case of the militairy, it might be the best way to go Wink).

OLAP isn't very likely as it is very relational model based, i.e.: it will be hard to use it in a fixed object world.


netclectic (User)   Posted on: 15-Dec-2004 12:58:24.
This conversation is so frustrating... i keep coming in here thinking it's friday and then i remember it's still only wednesday Sad
swallace (User)   Posted on: 15-Dec-2004 14:58:06.
You're right! Otis needs to put in some code to automatically change the title of this thread to the current day of the week!

Wink


Marcus (User)   Posted on: 24-Dec-2004 11:03:59.
It's Friday again... but not like any other Laugh

Merry Christmas everybody!

Marcus
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 24-Dec-2004 11:47:26.
Indeed! Regular Smiley I thought, I'd be a relaxed day today, but again a bug in the oracle driver, hopefully it now lasts till after christmas! Wink

Merry Christmas everybody!


wayne (User)   Posted on: 28-Dec-2004 14:47:26.
swallace wrote:
You're right! Otis needs to put in some code to automatically change the title of this thread to the current day of the week!

Wink


Maybe a change in the title is not a bad idea. Regular Smiley How about the Long, long thread Tongue
sirshannon (User)   Posted on: 07-Jan-2005 13:18:22.
It's Friday again.

My last Friday as a free man (for a while, hopefully).

I start a new job Monday. It isn't a .NET-based company at all so I won't be able to get them to convert to LLBLGen Pro any time soon, unfortunately. I'm going to be more on the front-end (and far back-end, as needed).

It will be nice to work with teams and departments and being able to concentrate on one area instead of having to do almost everything myself (like I have for the past few years).



cmartinbot (User)   Posted on: 07-Jan-2005 18:29:58.
It is Friday. And the project I'm working on just got shitcanned (sent overseas)! Confused I guess I'm a free man too...I'll be looking for free food and shelter untill I find a new gig. Embarassed
leoduran (User)   Posted on: 07-Jan-2005 21:52:44.
wayne wrote:
swallace wrote:
You're right! Otis needs to put in some code to automatically change the title of this thread to the current day of the week!

Wink


Maybe a change in the title is not a bad idea. Regular Smiley How about the Long, long thread Tongue


And make it sort postings in Decending order listing the new postings first!

Happy Friday!


swallace (User)   Posted on: 08-Jan-2005 05:13:32.
Quote:
And the project I'm working on just got shitcanned (sent overseas)!


Dude, sorry to hear that. You've got talent and you'll do well, and all that blah blah blah that others would say...

But I say this. Make some lemonade.

A few years ago I whored worked for a company that lost it's contract, and I was out of the market for eight months. We'd just had our third child and my wife went back to work soon after he was born. I had all that time with him, just the two of us. We bonded in a way that still echos. It was a struggle financially, but when I think back upon it, I don't think of the hardship, just the great time we had together.

Find the thing that you know, when you will someday look back on your 'vacation', will make you smile.

Do that thing. Every day.

Good luck.
cmartinbot (User)   Posted on: 08-Jan-2005 10:50:02.
swallace wrote:
Quote:
And the project I'm working on just got shitcanned (sent overseas)!


Dude, sorry to hear that. You've got talent and you'll do well, and all that blah blah blah that others would say...

But I say this. Make some lemonade.

A few years ago I whored worked for a company that lost it's contract, and I was out of the market for eight months. We'd just had our third child and my wife went back to work soon after he was born. I had all that time with him, just the two of us. We bonded in a way that still echos. It was a struggle financially, but when I think back upon it, I don't think of the hardship, just the great time we had together.

Find the thing that you know, when you will someday look back on your 'vacation', will make you smile.

Do that thing. Every day.

Good luck.



Thanks for that man! I wish for the day that I have a kid.

I know I'll get a new gig in no time. It just sucks when you're into a project and it gets dumped.

And I love lemonade so I'll fit right in. Wink


Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 08-Jan-2005 12:19:50.
sirshannon wrote:
It's Friday again.

My last Friday as a free man (for a while, hopefully).

I start a new job Monday. It isn't a .NET-based company at all so I won't be able to get them to convert to LLBLGen Pro any time soon, unfortunately. I'm going to be more on the front-end (and far back-end, as needed).

It will be nice to work with teams and departments and being able to concentrate on one area instead of having to do almost everything myself (like I have for the past few years).

Good luck with your new job! Although it's not .NET and everything, it still can be very interesting. I know what you mean with "It will be nice to work with teams and departments and being able to concentrate on one area instead of having to do almost everything myself", it can sometimes be overwhelming what you have to do while you just want to develop that one thing.
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 08-Jan-2005 12:24:03.
cmartinbot wrote:
It is Friday. And the project I'm working on just got shitcanned (sent overseas)! Confused I guess I'm a free man too...I'll be looking for free food and shelter untill I find a new gig. Embarassed

I second the great words Scott wrote. Still it's crap that a project you worked on got canned, especially for that reason, as it's thus solely a money thing and you weren't respected for the extra you could give to the project, you're just a pair of hands, according to that management. (this is not saying the guys overseas won't give their 150%, most of them work very long hours for a horrible paycheck)

Good luck, you'll find something new soon.



wayne (User)   Posted on: 11-Jan-2005 11:04:41.
A long long time ago, in a galaxy far far away
jeffreygg wrote:

And I don't think swallace will ever be able to catch up to you - he' s not a lamer troll like you are.. Wink Laugh. Take care, man.


hmmm.... Is lamer troll the same as Internet Troll - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

Embarassed It's kinda bad - i did not even know that being called a troll was bad. Tongue
jeffreygg (User)   Posted on: 11-Jan-2005 11:44:50.
wayne wrote:
A long long time ago, in a galaxy far far away
jeffreygg wrote:

And I don't think swallace will ever be able to catch up to you - he' s not a lamer troll like you are.. Wink Laugh. Take care, man.


hmmm.... Is lamer troll the same as Internet Troll - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

Embarassed It's kinda bad - i did not even know that being called a troll was bad. Tongue


Heh, that's hilarious...well, it's not that bad, at least in the way I meant it. Tongue In a lot of the forums I frequent (usually as a lurker) they sometimes call someone a troll who posts simply to up his post count. All in good fun, of course, as you were leaving at the time. Laugh

Jeff...


wayne (User)   Posted on: 11-Jan-2005 12:00:15.
jeffreygg wrote:
they sometimes call someone a troll who posts simply to up his post count.

That's exactly what i am doing now - Just a few more....then 500!!!

jeffreygg wrote:
All in good fun, of course, as you were leaving at the time. LaughJeff...

I'm very glad that they asked me back - would hate to work with sqlcon's, commands, adapters and datasets.. yagh!!

I wonder how many lurkers do we have on this forum. - Personally only post in the non-general chat section when i see something new, shcoking, exiting or interesting. Wink
wayne (User)   Posted on: 12-Feb-2005 22:20:56.
Time to get this old thread out of archives, it hasn't seen any posts for weeks. It might not be friday anymore but i guess Saterday is close enough. Tongue

So here goes...

Frans have you seen the open source HTML Editor FckEditor for Asp.Net - It is really kick ass. - I played around with it today and it is so easy to use - drag drop and ask for the value that the user typed - Maybe you could use it for your forum. Wink


Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 14-Feb-2005 10:32:28.
wayne wrote:
Time to get this old thread out of archives, it hasn't seen any posts for weeks. It might not be friday anymore but i guess Saterday is close enough. Tongue

So here goes...

Frans have you seen the open source HTML Editor FckEditor for Asp.Net - It is really kick ass. - I played around with it today and it is so easy to use - drag drop and ask for the value that the user typed - Maybe you could use it for your forum. Wink

You also have freetextbox or something, which is also very good Regular Smiley However as I use UBB and not HTML for formatting, these editors are not that helpful here.
MattWoberts (User)   Posted on: 14-Feb-2005 12:02:15.
yeah freetextbox is pretty good - if a little slow - , its surprisingly easy to write your own though, thats what we did..





wayne (User)   Posted on: 14-Feb-2005 13:42:52.
MattWoberts wrote:
its surprisingly easy to write your own though, thats what we did..


No, thank you !!! Regular Smiley I'll just use the free editor. - Let someone else do the work. Wink

I find Java Script to be a very difficult language to program in.
Diffirent calls for different browsers and there does not seem to be enough documentation about the language - We have several books here and it has happened to many times that i have to go google to get the info that i need. If there was just a IDE for javasript with code completion.
MattWoberts (User)   Posted on: 14-Feb-2005 14:14:56.
wayne wrote:

I find Java Script to be a very difficult language to program in.

The word "niggly" springs to mind Wink You can get round the different browser issue really easily - just specify that your sofware only runs on IE6 and above Wink


wayne wrote:

Diffirent calls for different browsers and there does not seem to be enough documentation about the language - We have several books here and it has happened to many times that i have to go google to get the info that i need. If there was just a IDE for javasript with code completion.


Hmm, you might be onto something there....get one started on sourceforge!


wayne (User)   Posted on: 14-Feb-2005 15:11:13.
MattWoberts wrote:
Hmm, you might be onto something there....get one started on sourceforge!
I am sure that if it was possible todo then somebody would have done it already. Wink

And i have to say that i love using Open Source code but i personally don't like the idea of doing something and then giving it away for free. Sub routines and help is a different story - but the whole application - yah right - not me.
MattWoberts (User)   Posted on: 14-Feb-2005 15:31:45.
I'd be happy as long as people got use out of it....well maybe 50 quid wouldn't hurt Regular Smiley


wayne (User)   Posted on: 25-Feb-2005 13:19:57.
MattWoberts wrote:
I'd be happy as long as people got use out of it....well maybe 50 quid wouldn't hurt Regular Smiley

50 quid is not that bad - it's atleast 20 beers Wink (depending where you are in the UK)
MattWoberts (User)   Posted on: 25-Feb-2005 13:24:20.
When I was a sudent we used to get a pint of beer for 50p in our local dodgy nightclucb, so 50 quid = 100 pints!!! Cool


wayne (User)   Posted on: 25-Feb-2005 14:28:06.
Talking about beer - i would't mind having a cold one right now. - But unfortunatly i am on a high proteine diet. No vergies, No fruit, No Alcahol, No Coffee - Only meat and water.

Matt - where are you in UK?
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 25-Feb-2005 14:58:40.
meat and water? What kind of diet is that if I may ask? If you ask me, to lose weight using that is IMHO not the way to go

MattWoberts (User)   Posted on: 25-Feb-2005 15:10:20.
Wayne I'm in Lancaster, the north west of England (just underneath the lake district)! Nice place, although I fancy a change and a move somewhere else for a while!

I'm afriad I have to agree with Otis on the meat and water thing - doesn't sound like a sustainable plan to me Wink But then being a vegetarian I would think that!
Fishy (User)   Posted on: 25-Feb-2005 16:22:59.
wayne wrote:
Talking about beer - i would't mind having a cold one right now. - But unfortunatly i am on a high proteine diet. No vergies, No fruit, No Alcahol, No Coffee - Only meat and water.

That's the same diet I'm on Laugh .

About a week ago I got out of a 4-day ICU room in Maui. Bad stuff in my blood (I'll spare you the details). Now, no vegis, just chicken, beef, fish and lots of water.


alexdresko (User)   Posted on: 25-Feb-2005 17:04:12.
Fishy wrote:
wayne wrote:
Talking about beer - i would't mind having a cold one right now. - But unfortunatly i am on a high proteine diet. No vergies, No fruit, No Alcahol, No Coffee - Only meat and water.

That's the same diet I'm on Laugh .

About a week ago I got out of a 4-day ICU room in Maui. Bad stuff in my blood (I'll spare you the details). Now, no vegis, just chicken, beef, fish and lots of water.


TGIF... Man, I really wish it were possible for the whole world to just forget that I existed for the rest of the day so I could spend my time with a cold one and a bowl of peanuts in front of the TV.... I don't watch nearly enough TV any more.. Hell, I don't do anything that rots your mind any more.

I need to rot my mind some.. I need to kill some brain cells or something and today seems like a great day for that.
wayne (User)   Posted on: 25-Feb-2005 19:15:47.
Otis wrote:
meat and water? What kind of diet is that if I may ask? If you ask me, to lose weight using that is IMHO not the way to go


Well , all i can say is that 3 weeks ago i weighed 110 kg now i am on a 100 kg - It works!!! Laugh Ever heard of Atkins?

Meat does not cause you to loose weight - what actually happens is that meat make you feel satisfied quicker - so you eat less and because you dont take in any carbs or sugar your body must burn fat for energy. But you must drink alot of water to prevent your kidneys from suffering - I drink about 3 liters of water a day.

IMHO it is no a sustainable diet - you get sick and tired of meat after a while. (You are allowed to have some eggs aswell) I am suppose to stay on it for 6 weeks or until my weight reaches 90kg then i must move onto a more sustainable diet and add in some exercise. My personal target is 85kg. Regular Smiley

My daily scheduele is as follows:

breakfast:
4 pieces of bacon - (Actually as much as want to eat)
1 boiled egg - (Actually as much as want to eat)
500 ml of water.

lunch
75 grams of Biltong
2 liters of water during the day.

Supper
Steak, Spare Ribs, fish, calamari or what ever protein you can put your hands on.
Some vegies after week 4.
500 ml of water.


inobyte (User)   Posted on: 25-Feb-2005 20:56:03.
First weekend of Super 12 Rugby Laugh

Lets hope for your sake South Africa does better... actually last year they didn't do to bad


But go the Auckland Blues - one win already!! Laugh
jeffreygg (User)   Posted on: 26-Feb-2005 00:16:15.
alexdresko wrote:
TGIF... Man, I really wish it were possible for the whole world to just forget that I existed for the rest of the day so I could spend my time with a cold one and a bowl of peanuts in front of the TV.... I don't watch nearly enough TV any more.. Hell, I don't do anything that rots your mind any more.

I need to rot my mind some.. I need to kill some brain cells or something and today seems like a great day for that.


Preach! I haven't had an extended World of Warcraft session in I don't know how long. Having a baby kind of eats up all remaining time. Of course, I've found as I've gotten older that my tolerance to mind-rotting activities has gone down. Gone are the days of all day and night LAN parties, for sure. Even playing games alone or watching TV for long periods of time ( > 2 hours) leaves me feeling guilty and embarassed. Yet another casualty of parenthood, I guess.

Jeff...


Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 26-Feb-2005 12:40:44.
wayne wrote:
Otis wrote:
meat and water? What kind of diet is that if I may ask? If you ask me, to lose weight using that is IMHO not the way to go


Well , all i can say is that 3 weeks ago i weighed 110 kg now i am on a 100 kg - It works!!! Laugh Ever heard of Atkins?

yeah I heard of him, he died overweighted, and his diet is unhealthy. You don't get any carbohydrates to feed your brain, which burns about 40% of the total energy you burn.

Quote:

Meat does not cause you to loose weight - what actually happens is that meat make you feel satisfied quicker - so you eat less and because you dont take in any carbs or sugar your body must burn fat for energy. But you must drink alot of water to prevent your kidneys from suffering - I drink about 3 liters of water a day.

I also drink about 3 liters of water per day, but that's because in the IT business you don't move a lot Wink

What's way more healthy is just eat what you naturally should eat: fibers, fibers, fibers. And no fast food or softdrinks. You have to establish a healthy eat habit, not go on a diet, as when you do that, your body adjusts to that lower level of supply and when you fall into your normal routine, you'll gain twice as much.
wayne (User)   Posted on: 27-Feb-2005 11:59:46.
Quote:
I am suppose to stay on it for 6 weeks or until my weight reaches 90kg then i must move onto a more sustainable diet and add in some exercise.


So i am planning to change my lifestyle for the long runWink


alexdresko (User)   Posted on: 11-Mar-2005 22:47:49.


Spent the better half of the afternoon trying to figure out why the single Mac that we have to run our Avid MediaComposer suite was flashing a question mark icon instead of booting.

I got it running, but not without calling every freakin place in town to find someone who knew how to make sense of Apple's PRAM, boot partition, file system, etc...

I'm going to stop now before I go into a long rant about Macs and their so called usability.

Sure, I feel like a hero, but you bess damn believe I'm ready for a cold one! Regular Smiley
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 13-Mar-2005 12:32:02.
alexdresko wrote:


Spent the better half of the afternoon trying to figure out why the single Mac that we have to run our Avid MediaComposer suite was flashing a question mark icon instead of booting.

I got it running, but not without calling every freakin place in town to find someone who knew how to make sense of Apple's PRAM, boot partition, file system, etc...

I'm going to stop now before I go into a long rant about Macs and their so called usability.

Sure, I feel like a hero, but you bess damn believe I'm ready for a cold one! Regular Smiley

Hey, Mac's are c00l Wink (or so I heard from the now fired designer we had here a couple of years ago Wink).

Though I must admit, the new mac OS X does make me think back to the Amiga days, don't know why. But then again, an OS is pretty useless if you don't have anything to run on it. Regular Smiley


netclectic (User)   Posted on: 22-Apr-2005 11:19:31.
WoW! It hasn't been Friday for over a month!! Shocked

This weekend i will mostly be playing with my new gadgets Laugh

I just bought one of these, iAudio M3, and one of these Slim Sqeezbox 2
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 22-Apr-2005 12:14:21.
netclectic wrote:
WoW! It hasn't been Friday for over a month!! Shocked

You can say that! Wink. Though I have promissed myself this friday will be a friday, so as soon as I can get that (*#@&$( installer up the server, I'm at the beach in the sun! Laugh

Quote:

This weekend i will mostly be playing with my new gadgets Laugh

I just bought one of these, iAudio M3, and one of these Slim Sqeezbox 2

cool stuff! I didn't know these existed, that slimdevice thingy Regular Smiley


netclectic (User)   Posted on: 22-Apr-2005 12:45:08.
Otis wrote:
cool stuff! I didn't know these existed, that slimdevice thingy Regular Smiley

Yeah, i ordered it from the states on Sunday and it arrived here in the uk on wednesday morning. Now that's service! Sadly my wireless access point from amazon (uk) didn't arrive til this morning so i've not had a chance to play with it properly but i've set it all up and it's sitting there teasing me just waiting to be played with.

A whole bunch of companies are starting to offer them but that's definitly the best one i've seen, the on board support for FLAC is a big plus, seeing as i've just spent the best part of 2 months converting my entire cd collection to FLAC Regular Smiley
wayne (User)   Posted on: 22-Apr-2005 13:37:04.
Borland open sources JBuilder!!! Shocked Shocked

What a shocker!!! see - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/04/22/jbuilder_eclipse/

I really didn't expect this from Borland... I thought JBuilder was their leading product.

Seems like they are giving all their products away! First it was Interbase now JBuilder, wonder when Delphi will be going Open Source? What does this say about Borland?

[Edit] - Can't seem to find anything about this on Borland website.Confused


Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 22-Apr-2005 14:37:02.
RIP JBuilder then.

(I saw Borland Together for VS.NET this morning, only 200$, really cool toolkit)
alexdresko (User)   Posted on: 22-Apr-2005 15:25:24.
I really hope this turns out to be a good weekend. Judging by the amount of work and problems on my plate, I'm not so sure.

IMO Borland has been out of the loop for a while. I read an article in ADT a month or so ago that came to the same conclusion.


alexdresko (User)   Posted on: 29-Apr-2005 21:52:59.
alexdresko wrote:
I really hope this turns out to be a good weekend. Judging by the amount of work and problems on my plate, I'm not so sure.

IMO Borland has been out of the loop for a while. I read an article in ADT a month or so ago that came to the same conclusion.


And here we are again. Can't wait to kick back and relax this weekend. Perhaps I'll get to finish my new wedding ring replacement...
http://www.hackaday.com/entry/1234000860041105/

Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 29-Apr-2005 22:24:47.
alexdresko wrote:
alexdresko wrote:
I really hope this turns out to be a good weekend. Judging by the amount of work and problems on my plate, I'm not so sure.

IMO Borland has been out of the loop for a while. I read an article in ADT a month or so ago that came to the same conclusion.


And here we are again. Can't wait to kick back and relax this weekend. Perhaps I'll get to finish my new wedding ring replacement...
http://www.hackaday.com/entry/1234000860041105/

Heh, great idea! Laugh

Btw, this weekend (tomorrow actually) it's Queensday in The Netherlands and the queen then visits 2 cities and walks around with her children and waves her hand. This year she visits The Hague and particularly: scheveningen, she will walk through my street! 100m from my house! Laugh (yes I'll behave and wave back Wink )


alexdresko (User)   Posted on: 29-Apr-2005 22:37:31.
Otis wrote:

Btw, this weekend (tomorrow actually) it's Queensday in The Netherlands and the queen then visits 2 cities and walks around with her children and waves her hand. This year she visits The Hague and particularly: scheveningen, she will walk through my street! 100m from my house! Laugh (yes I'll behave and wave back Wink )

Sounds like a great reason to paint the town orange!
alexdresko (User)   Posted on: 29-Apr-2005 23:16:21.
BTW, I wish one of you smart people here would have warned me against trying wrap my head around "Inversion of Control" concepts... I'm lost! Regular Smiley

Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 01-May-2005 11:59:15.
alexdresko wrote:
Otis wrote:

Btw, this weekend (tomorrow actually) it's Queensday in The Netherlands and the queen then visits 2 cities and walks around with her children and waves her hand. This year she visits The Hague and particularly: scheveningen, she will walk through my street! 100m from my house! Laugh (yes I'll behave and wave back Wink )

Sounds like a great reason to paint the town orange!

That's been taken care of by a gazillion people! Maaannn suddenly there were a couple of thousand people living in our neighbourhood Laugh.
netclectic (User)   Posted on: 17-Jun-2005 16:45:35.
All quiet on the western front...

It's Friday, the sun is out (which is a pleasant change Regular Smiley) and i can hear the beer garden calling Tongue

roll on 5 oclock!!!


Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 17-Jun-2005 18:20:30.
You bet! It's going to be 29-30 degrees celcius this weekend, yay! Laugh
alexdresko (User)   Posted on: 17-Jun-2005 18:44:20.
That's 86 degrees Fahrenheit for those still scratching their heads.

alexdresko (User)   Posted on: 22-Jul-2005 21:57:49.
I dropped a US $40,000 studio camera today and broke part of the lense.

Guess who's glad it's Friday?!?!?!?!?!?!?
MattWoberts (User)   Posted on: 29-Jul-2005 14:07:29.
Well, its Friday again Regular Smiley Its going to rain and be about 15degrees where I am, so I need some decent links to cheer me up......anyone?



cmartinbot (User)   Posted on: 29-Jul-2005 19:42:50.
MattWoberts wrote:
Well, its Friday again Regular Smiley Its going to rain and be about 15degrees where I am, so I need some decent links to cheer me up......anyone?




You asked. I give. Wink

long weather link

Just look at the high where I'm at. That and rain (which means humidity)...bleh.. Confused
omar (User)   Posted on: 29-Jul-2005 21:08:56.
Quote:
Well, its Friday again Its going to rain and be about 15degrees where I am, so I need some decent links to cheer me up......anyone?

Here in Kuwait, its 10:00pm (that’s pm not am) and the temperature is 45c (Celsius not Fahrenheit..).. Cool


Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 29-Jul-2005 21:38:40.
omar wrote:
Quote:
Well, its Friday again Its going to rain and be about 15degrees where I am, so I need some decent links to cheer me up......anyone?

Here in Kuwait, its 10:00pm (that’s pm not am) and the temperature is 45c (Celsius not Fahrenheit..).. Cool

*ugh*... 45c... I don't want to think about how hot that is... I pressume you're surrounded by airco's? Regular Smiley How do you manage during the day!!

Here's it's ok, not very sunny (although today wasn't bad), but dry. Very crowded on teh beach though, as if all those tourists don't have anything better to do with not-sunny weather Wink
alexdresko (User)   Posted on: 05-Aug-2005 17:45:26.
Pointless TGIF post #292!

swallace (User)   Posted on: 05-Aug-2005 18:52:23.
I'm not having a happy Friday. I ordered an iPod Photo 60gb from Amazon yesterday to be overnighted, and they said "sure, you'll have it tomorrow." Ooops! Amazon had some kind of foo-fah last night, didn't get the order out, and I'll get it Monday. Their response? "Too bad for you! Here's your shipping charge back."

There's a big difference between getting something Friday and getting it on Monday, especially when it's a personal entertainment item. Technically the difference is "one business day," but for me it's a lost weekend of fun with a new toy.

Petty? Perhaps. But what if it was a gift that I was to have given this weekend? Why should Amazon's only penalty be that they refund money that they weren't going to receive in the first place? They're now shipping it on the slow service, which would have been free to me anyway, so they're out nothing, I'm out a weekend of fun. Who paid for this screw-up? Not Amazon.

This is the third straight order Amazon has crapped out for me. Last was a book that looked like it had been drug through the mud, and before that it was a product that was missing parts when it arrived. This is all within the past 8 weeks.

Anyone else about to give up on Amazon?

For me, Friday will be delivered on Monday this week. Today is just another day...

Sad

</rant>

mattsmith321 (User)   Posted on: 05-Aug-2005 19:45:30.
swallace wrote:
For me, Friday will be delivered on Monday this week. Today is just another day...

Can you get any luckier? Sure you didn't get your iPod today which brought Friday down a little, but it is still a Friday which makes it the best day of the week. Then, instead of having a boring Monday, you get a cool new toy which will make Monday not feel like Monday since it is the worst day of the week. Tongue


swallace (User)   Posted on: 05-Aug-2005 20:34:35.
mattsmith321 wrote:
swallace wrote:
For me, Friday will be delivered on Monday this week. Today is just another day...

Can you get any luckier? Sure you didn't get your iPod today which brought Friday down a little, but it is still a Friday which makes it the best day of the week. Then, instead of having a boring Monday, you get a cool new toy which will make Monday not feel like Monday since it is the worst day of the week. Tongue

Darn you "bright side of the picture" people! You're right, but I was so enjoying my gloom. Tongue

I'll look forward to the product being delivered Monday (it is a very cool iPod after all), but I won't look forward to using Amazon again. In fact, I probably won't use them again. They did little more than point me to their URL that says they sometimes get it wrong and they don't owe me anything if they do. My confidence in them is destroyed.

I really wasn't saving anything over just picking it up in the local store, but I didn't have to leave the house and was having it brought straight to work. Couldn't be easier, in theory.

What's the advantage now that they won't commit to delivery dates? Imagine going into Best Buy (or your local retailer) and coughing up money, told to come back the next day for the product, then finding out the next day you can't have it for another three days. No one would stand for that at a retailer. (By the way, I can't cancel the order with Amazon because it's considered "in process." Can't get my money back, can't cancel, just told to stand over here and wait, too bad for you.) Why put up with it with Amazon? I'm not saving any money.

So long Amazon.

(Boy I'm bitter...)

Anyway, my point was, is anyone else getting screwed by Amazon lately, or is it just my bad luck to have three failures with them in 8 weeks? Is there something bad going wrong with them? Anyone notice anything?

pilotboba (User)   Posted on: 05-Aug-2005 21:46:55.
swallace wrote:

So long Amazon.


Ok, for such a commodity item why not just go to Best Buy or Wallmart? You could have it the same day for the same price.

BOb





mattsmith321 (User)   Posted on: 05-Aug-2005 21:48:28.
swallace wrote:

Darn you "bright side of the picture" people! You're right, but I was so enjoying my gloom. Tongue

It's how I get by. I've tried the other side and I can't handle it for more than a day.

swallace wrote:

What's the advantage now that they won't commit to delivery dates? Imagine going into Best Buy (or your local retailer) and coughing up money, told to come back the next day for the product, then finding out the next day you can't have it for another three days. No one would stand for that at a retailer. (By the way, I can't cancel the order with Amazon because it's considered "in process." Can't get my money back, can't cancel, just told to stand over here and wait, too bad for you.) Why put up with it with Amazon? I'm not saving any money.

Actually I've got several friends with stories of ordering appliances (fridge, washer/dryer,etc.) from BestBuy, etc. and getting a delivery date and sitting at home waiting for an appliance that didn't come when it was scheduled. Calls to the store are met with "it's not us, contact the warehouse".

swallace wrote:

Anyway, my point was, is anyone else getting screwed by Amazon lately, or is it just my bad luck to have three failures with them in 8 weeks? Is there something bad going wrong with them? Anyone notice anything?

I haven't noticed anything in my last couple of orders. Maybe it has more to do with living in OK? Wink Just kidding! It's been hard to beat Amazon from a price and convenience point of view. In fact, Amazon has always been a very good example of how to do customer service right. I've returned stuff weeks after I ordered it without any problems.

If you can, you might want to check out www.newegg.com for tech purchases. Not sure how deep their consumer gadget line is, but I usually compare them with Amazon where I can. Where they are really good is for computer parts and components.

I wouldn't be so drastic in quitting amazon entirely. After all, most people deal with amazon because it is the cheapest price. And we all know the saying: "You get what you pay for!" Of course, that doesn't apply to LLBL! Laugh

Have a good one!
swallace (User)   Posted on: 05-Aug-2005 22:04:44.
You're right, I've used NewEgg and love them. I've never, ever had an issue with them, and I've used them a bunch. Strange I never considered them for a consumer purchase like an iPod.

I certainly should have gone local, but Amazon made it clear that the product would be delivered the next morning. They were very specific. Sooo easy. Or was it? Funny their specific statement, "it will be there Friday" didn't include the link to the disclaimer URL they sent me to when it wasn't there on Friday, which basically says "it will be there when we feel like it."

I'm willing to write off Amazon. I know that sounds strange, but I'm fed up with their no-answer answers. They don't seem to be humans, just policy-bots. I'm genuinely upset, and all I get are copy-and-paste answers. I still don't know when it will get here, "likely Monday." Is that an answer?

For computer equipment, there's no comparison in price. The local stores charge out the wazzoo compared to online purchases. I do think that's an Oklahoma thing, since I've been to a Frye's. (We don't have one.) It's online only for computer stuff in this town.

But when there's no price difference, I give up on online orders. It's not worth it, not even from Amazon.

I've had the Best Buy delivery woes before also, but at least I can call the warehouse and speak to Fred, or Fred's boss. I can get an answer that doesn't sound like it was picked from a menu of options titled "Ways to pacify a customer without committing to anything."

Call me a ludite. I'm offline for purchases where price is not a differentiator.

And Amazon is banned.


swallace (User)   Posted on: 05-Aug-2005 23:10:00.
...and just to celebrate my freedom from Amazon, I went down to the locally-owned bookseller and bought a new book. The price was great, it was "delivered" the same day, and they even smiled and said thank you.

This kind of thing might actually catch on...


alexdresko (User)   Posted on: 12-Aug-2005 20:06:59.
Man, I really messed up yesterday evening. Crystal (m'lady) and I went out to eat and got back kind late. Then I played XBOX until I passed out. So this morning when I woke up, I honestly felt like last night was Friday night and I could sleep in for a few hours this morning. Sure, the phone rang a couple of times but I thought that was just a friend calling to see what I was doing. Right about 10:15 Crystal woke up (she always gets to sleep in late) and said, “Do you have the day off?” Right about then is when I realized that today was going to be a bad day.


Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 12-Aug-2005 20:36:19.
hehehe Laugh.
wayne (User)   Posted on: 23-Sep-2005 18:54:00.
I don't know about you guys but it seems like we havn't had a friday in quite a few weeks by the looks of this thread...Wink

It is currently 18:50 in a warm / sunny Cape Town and i am enjoying a nice cocktail called Love potion after a hard days work.

Oh i forgot - I havn't told anybody on this forum yet although i new for about 2.5 months, but here goes... MY WIFE IS 3 MONTHS PREGNANT!! I hope everybody got that. Tongue
Yeh thats right a little Barker baby is on his way.





sparmar2000 (User)   Posted on: 23-Sep-2005 20:06:26.
Congragulations Wayne Regular Smiley

As a perent of a teenager, words of wisdom:

Quote:
In 1900, fathers could count on children to join the family business.

Today, fathers pray their kids will soon come home from college long enough to teach them how to work the computer and set the VCR.


and

Quote:
In 1900, fathers said, "A man's home is his castle."

Today, they say, "Welcome to the money pit."


omar (User)   Posted on: 23-Sep-2005 22:48:30.
Congrats Wayne ,
As a proud father of a 5 year old boy, you are looking forward to the best years of your life.
Just one advice... you better get the baby Barker a brother/sister soon if you want have some peace of mind Wink


Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 23-Sep-2005 23:30:24.
Congrats, Wayne (and your wife also ofcourseRegular Smiley)! Regular Smiley The second the little Barker is on the planet, get it behind a keyboard! you can' t start early enough Wink

wayne (User)   Posted on: 23-Sep-2005 23:57:58.
Thank you everybody. I am going to need all the advise that i can get as this is my first baby.

My wife is still trying to figure out whether the baby is her's or not Tongue




jeffreygg (User)   Posted on: 24-Sep-2005 00:53:04.
wayne wrote:
My wife is still trying to figure out whether the baby is her's or not Tongue

lol Cool...well we've rounded the corner with our first...he's 14 months old, and I have to agree with Omar...he's just amazing (my son, not Omar, although far be it from me to say that Omar isn't amazing Regular Smiley).

I truly didn't know the meaning of patience, stamina, and, um, patience until Caden came along...it's just amazing looking back and seeing truly how much easier just about everything is without a baby. But, even with that, I wouldn't trade it for the world.

Now just keep us in your prayers as Christina is around 6 months pregnant with our second baby boy...not sure what exactly got into us... Regular Smiley

Jeff...
sparmar2000 (User)   Posted on: 25-Sep-2005 08:20:42.
Quote:
Congrats, Wayne (and your wife also ofcourseRegular Smiley)! Regular Smiley The second the little Barker is on the planet, get it behind a keyboard! you can' t start early enough Wink


Why wait till them…you can get him/her started now. I think I read/heard somewhere that babies that 'young' are very conscious, so if you were to get him/her started with LLBL User guide, Frans could have the youngest Support personnel in 6 months time. Wink

Mind Frans, she/he want some extra features put into the product before joining up Regular Smiley


Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 25-Sep-2005 15:26:29.
sparmar2000 wrote:

Mind Frans, she/he want some extra features put into the product before joining up Regular Smiley

Heh, I was already afraid you'd say that Wink.
davisg (User)   Posted on: 26-Sep-2005 11:19:05.
wayne wrote:
Oh i forgot - I havn't told anybody on this forum yet although i new for about 2.5 months, but here goes... MY WIFE IS 3 MONTHS PREGNANT!! I hope everybody got that. Tongue
Yeh thats right a little Barker baby is on his way.

Congratulations Wayne and to your missus.

I have a 11 year old girl, a 10 year old boy as well as a baby girl of 18 months... At the end of the week (Friday come to think of it Wink ) I normally just stand at the door with my wallet open, my eldest takes the £20 notes, my boy takes the £10 notes and the baby grabs all the pocket change... Confused My advise, start saving now and get those nights out with the lads in, your gonna need it - LOL...

No seriously it will change your life forever but there is nothing better than protecting, mentoring, loving, cuddling, kissing and raising your own child.

Geoff.


mattsmith321 (User)   Posted on: 14-Oct-2005 16:39:04.
It's Friday and today is the first time that I've had a chance to stop by and post in about two months. I had a little bit of catching up to do but it is good to finally have a little bit of free time again (at least for today).
alexdresko (User)   Posted on: 18-Nov-2005 19:28:14.
Thought I'd dig up ye ol' thread in honor of this, the best day of the week. I get to spend my weekend cleaning up the bazillions of leaves in my front yard.

alexdresko (User)   Posted on: 18-Nov-2005 19:28:56.
And how's that baby coming, Wayne?
Kris (User)   Posted on: 19-Nov-2005 09:51:13.
I used to love Fridays, nowadays Fridays mean an extra dat work on Saturdays.
Another month and I will be in Asia for a month (first holidays then business).

Have all a nice weekend!


alexdresko (User)   Posted on: 31-Mar-2006 20:24:22.
TGIF... today more than ever...
jeffreygg (User)   Posted on: 31-Mar-2006 21:35:29.
alexdresko wrote:
TGIF... today more than ever...

Heh, I've been thinking about resurrecting this thread. Rough week?

Jeff...


mattsmith321 (User)   Posted on: 14-Apr-2006 16:28:35.
Here is a very good site that goes into great depth on one subject: Shoelaces (http://www.fieggen.com/shoelace/)

For 30+ years I always thought there was only one way to tie shoes: Standard Shoelace Knot. My kids have recently introduced me to the Two Loop Shoelace Knot that they learned at school. But I had no idea there were so many other ways or such intricacies to tying shoes.

Just a little something to sidetrack you for a little while on a Friday!
alexdresko (User)   Posted on: 28-Jul-2006 15:03:14.
Long live the Friday thread! Long live Fridays! Long live all of you!

Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 28-Jul-2006 16:58:44.
haha Regular Smiley.
knnth (User)   Posted on: 29-Jul-2006 16:31:08.
For me, today is Friday Dissapointed

Ahwell, I'll take an extra day off to spend at the beach as soon as the project is finished Cool


Aglaia (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 30-Jul-2006 00:30:11.
knnth wrote:
Ahwell, I'll take an extra day off to spend at the beach as soon as the project is finished Cool



Gheh, you probably sat right next to us at the beach without knowing it Regular Smiley (location: The Hague)
wayne (User)   Posted on: 30-Jan-2007 14:59:19.
Hi Guys

Gee, i havn't been around here for ages. And you guys havn't had a friday in ages by the look of things.Tongue

So how many of the original crowd is still hanging around?

Wayne


Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 30-Jan-2007 15:32:09.
It's alive! Laugh
jeffreygg (User)   Posted on: 30-Jan-2007 18:49:23.
Hey, Wayne. Good to see you again. What's been up with you?

Jeff...


wayne (User)   Posted on: 31-Jan-2007 10:03:45.
Hi Otis , Jeff

Oh well, last time i was here i was working for circdata i have moved on since then - No LLBLGen unfortunatly...

For the last two years i have been working hard for myself - NetReady Software.


What have you guys been doing? Any babies yet Otis? and what about you jeff?

MattWoberts (User)   Posted on: 01-Feb-2007 10:22:05.
I'm here Regular Smiley

Good to "see" you Wayne. Nothing much to report from me, still at the same company, and still using LLBLGen of course Wink



Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 01-Feb-2007 11:27:39.
wayne wrote:
What have you guys been doing? Any babies yet Otis? and what about you jeff?

No babies here Wayne, no place/time for these Regular Smiley. Still going strong on llblgen pro of course. Regular Smiley So is this MLM thingy paying off for you? (aren't these a bit fishy, these MLM systems?)
wayne (User)   Posted on: 01-Feb-2007 15:21:30.
Hi Otis

MLM companies usually get associated with Pyramid schemes - they are mostly the same but there are some differences.

1. To have a MLM company you must be registered with the DSA. (Direct selling association) otherwise you are seen as pyramid scheme which is illegal in most countries.

2. Pyramid schemes make their money from recruiting new members and usually run dead in a few months.

MLM Companies make their money from selling product and their members can usually make a living from selling their product. For example you must know Tupperware or Herbal life.

3. In a Pyramid the only people making money are the one's at the top - In a MLM company only people that work make money.

If you don't work - hit your mile stones you won't make a cent from your downline. Your position in the MLM Scheme changes all the time - most of the hard workers sit at the top with your new and non-workers at the bottom.


My partner and myself had to turn down a few companies for ethical reasons - for example we had a supposidly MLM Company that wanted to use our system to sell MOTIVATION!

We also had a company that wanted to sell Adult content which is actually not a problem - but we have a few big clients that do not want to be associated with any X rated things like Virgin for example.

NetReady Software is based in South Africa and specialise in MLM Software. We currently have 5 staff:
3 x Developers
2 x Software testers
1 x Network Admin

One thing i can tell you about MLM Systems is that the maths in these systems are quite complex. The commission rules are also very compex requiring alot of recursion.

Ah well enough about me, it seems like LLBLGen has really taken off - you must be sitting pretty and the momment. How many clients do you have at the momment.

[EDIT] - I removed some of the content of this post because this thread has been picked up by google and i do not wish to inform all the competition out there about my successes or plans - i also abused this a bit by adding a hyperlink to netready.


wayne (User)   Posted on: 01-Feb-2007 15:26:57.
Hi Matt,

Nice to see that you are still here.Regular Smiley
PilotBob (User)   Posted on: 01-Feb-2007 19:27:59.
wayne wrote:
At the momment our only and real competitor is QuinStreet in the US.


What about http://mlmbydesign.com ?

BOb



wayne (User)   Posted on: 02-Feb-2007 18:54:29.
Hi PilotBob

I must be honest this is the first time that i have ever heard of them... Hope you don't work for these guys,..i might be giving away trade secrets here....Tongue - That site does not seem to exist any more.

When ever we went to a meeting with a possible new client - we always found quinstreet being our competition - there has been a few accounting systems with web e-commerce add on - but these can't do the complex calculation and tracking of the member geneology that real MLM systems can do.
jeffreygg (User)   Posted on: 02-Feb-2007 20:18:54.
Two kids here now, Wayne; both boys. You? Regular Smiley Congrats on your business. Regular Smiley

Jeff


wayne (User)   Posted on: 04-Feb-2007 09:01:48.
Hi Jeff

Quote:
Two kids here now, Wayne; both boys. You? Regular Smiley Congrats on your business. Regular Smiley


Thanks Jeff, we still have a hard road ahead at the momment our expenses are higher than our income at the momment so we are eating into the companies capital...I.T. Staff very expensive - but we hope to change that in the next 2 months or so.

Youv'e been busyTongue last time i was here your first was just born.

In December 2005 my wife gave birth prematurely due to high blood pressure - the baby was born at the age of six months - We called him Marcus, but he died unfortunatly on 10th of February 2006 due to infection. In December 2006 we started tryting again...but nothing yet so far.


Wayne
wayne (User)   Posted on: 04-Feb-2007 09:02:42.
Otis

Any plans to come and visit South Africa for the 2010 soccer world cup?




wayne (User)   Posted on: 02-Mar-2007 18:25:12.
Otis

Any plans to come and visit South Africa for the 2010 soccer world cup?...
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 02-Mar-2007 18:39:45.
I'll never spend money for a long journey just to watch soccer, sorry Wink. I'm not that into soccer, on TV... OK, but travel half the globe to see our lazy millionairs lose, nah. Wink

wayne (User)   Posted on: 03-Mar-2007 09:00:31.
Oh, ok... i was going to offer to put you up and your wife up at my house in cape town.

You can always come to see another country's lazy millionairs win... and i am definetly not refering to South Africa here...They have alot of catching up to do.
Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 03-Mar-2007 11:44:32.
wayne wrote:
Oh, ok... i was going to offer to put you up and your wife up at my house in cape town.

I'll see what I can do Regular Smiley


wayne (User)   Posted on: 08-Mar-2007 11:23:45.
OK, Just let me know what happens. Regular Smiley
PilotBob (User)   Posted on: 08-Mar-2007 21:04:02.
Hey... no posting on this thread unless it's Friday! I thought it was for a minute there!

BOb


wayne (User)   Posted on: 09-Mar-2007 11:24:44.
PilotBob wrote:
Hey... no posting on this thread unless it's Friday! I thought it was for a minute there!

BOb


I checked a few minutes ago and its friday NOW. Wink
swallace (User)   Posted on: 10-Jul-2008 15:18:55.
I'll use this age-old thread to wish a belated happy 38th birthday to the age-old Frans, aka 'Otis'. I hope your day was quiet and relaxing. Now get back to work!

Tongue


Otis (LLBLGen Pro Team)   Posted on: 14-Jul-2008 23:31:14.
swallace wrote:
I'll use this age-old thread to wish a belated happy 38th birthday to the age-old Frans, aka 'Otis'. I hope your day was quiet and relaxing. Now get back to work!

Tongue

Hehe thanks Scott! Regular Smiley It was indeed relaxed Regular Smiley. Back to work is on the menu tomorrow Wink
wayne (User)   Posted on: 26-Jul-2010 10:09:21.
Hi frans and co, i havnt been here for a while. Just thought ill pop in say hello and see whats new. No...its not friday today...althought i could use another weekend.

bertcord (User)   Posted on: 21-Oct-2017 10:12:17.
TongueTongue ... I need to stop staying up sooooo late on Friday nights!