Rockford Lhotka (aka Rocky) has the following thread on his CSLA forum: http://forums.lhotka.net/forums/thread/10776.aspx

I was wondering what your thoughts were with regards to this. I see a lot of margin for change; but is it right for me to think that LLBL in being overlooked, or not as well known as it should be?

Would love to hear what you have to say.

Bashar wrote:

Rockford Lhotka (aka Rocky) has the following thread on his CSLA forum: http://forums.lhotka.net/forums/thread/10776.aspx

I was wondering what your thoughts were with regards to this. I see a lot of margin for change; but is it right for me to think that LLBL in being overlooked, or not as well known as it should be?

In what way do you mean 'overlooked' ? Microsoft is doing its own thing with Linq and EF, they don't look at existing stuff, as they make all the same beginners errors as everybody else.

Otis wrote:

In what way do you mean 'overlooked' ?

Overlooked by the likes of Rocky. People who work with and validate ORM tools.

With such a wonderful tool as LLBL, people everywhere should know (and use) about it. This is more of a marketing problem.

Then Frans would become insanely rich and would leave the development...

Bashar wrote:

Otis wrote:

In what way do you mean 'overlooked' ?

Overlooked by the likes of Rocky. People who work with and validate ORM tools.

Rocky is a bookwriter and speaker, so what he has to say is well known. Rocky of course talks about his own work, CSLA, so he won't mention other frameworks.

With such a wonderful tool as LLBL, people everywhere should know (and use) about it. This is more of a marketing problem.

Trust me, we are one of the most well known o/r mappers. Look around on forums / newsgroups / websites / blogs etc. in every o/r mapper discussion, we're mentioned. And the # of people who visit our site and buy licenses every day is going up every month so we're not worried, on the contrary

What I have noticed is that the overall discussion about 'o/r mapping' has been dimmed across the blogosphere for example. You see much less discussion about data-access today than you would have say 1 year ago. I'm not sure why that is, or that it's just me...

About bookwriters and speakers: this is a general remark, not something specific about Rocky. My personal opinion is that speakers and bookwriters have an opinion, but also spend less time on writing software than people who write software 100% of their time. I rather see people who REALLY write software (and not books/articles) talk about LLBLGen Pro (which they do, fortunately ) than that they don't know about it and some bookwriter mentions it once. (LLBLGen Pro is mentioned in a lot of .net books though ).

Speakers and bookwriters aren't people who are analists, they have a story to tell and sell you. That's ok, but keep that in mind whenever you listen to a speaker or read a book about .NET related material.

Otis wrote:

What I have noticed is that the overall discussion about 'o/r mapping' has been dimmed across the blogosphere for example. You see much less discussion about data-access today than you would have say 1 year ago. I'm not sure why that is, or that it's just me...

Didn't you hear - data access is dead - long live the webservice...

jaschag wrote:

Otis wrote:

What I have noticed is that the overall discussion about 'o/r mapping' has been dimmed across the blogosphere for example. You see much less discussion about data-access today than you would have say 1 year ago. I'm not sure why that is, or that it's just me...

Didn't you hear - data access is dead - long live the webservice...

Hehe yeah, as long as it's Web 2.0-Ajax compatible!