I'm at that place right now where I'm still stumbling on the WORDS going through the 'Concepts' portion of the online manual. I'm self taught and strugglihg to understand the concepts put forth by this product. I see where they're going with the online manual, but am stumbling on how to get there. I read the online book by Joseph Chancellor but lost him when he started using screens that are unfamiliar with this version (2.0). Would anybody out there consider mentoring me on this product? Thanks, David dak AT itracker.com

I've moved the thread to General and altered the subject so it might appeal to more people

I wish you hadn't moved me so the true number of responses was ZERO instead of 1. It's good for customers to know how unresponsive your forum is.

DauntlessDavid wrote:

I wish you hadn't moved me so the true number of responses was ZERO instead of 1. It's good for customers to know how unresponsive your forum is.

Ehm, you are kidding, right? I have yet to see a question unanswered in less than one day which is a great reponse time (normally answers come in a couple of hours or so). So, you are asking community to help you - I don't see this as a technical support question that can be answered in forumish way. I guess that's why there is no response. Back to your question, if you are interested I might help you. But not for free...

Hi David,

Questions of the sort "how do I do x?" normally get a good and fast response. If you're looking to learn, pick a solution you've already built and LLBLGENise it. If you get stuck start posting

Cheers, Pete

It's good for customers to know how unresponsive your forum is

The first response from Frans came like 4 hours of your original post. And then when you posted the above comment you had a response from a forum user in less than 67 minutes.

I'd bet if you posted a question saying I don't understand this concept or how should I do this and that, you will get more a solution in the best response time you could imagine.

Welcome aboard and I'll be waiting for your more specific questions.

I've worked for many governement agencies and their motto is "We'll get back to you when we figure out why it's your fault"!

Why would that be our motto as well? Our community and support is well known as being one of the best in the .NET data-access world, so I don't see why that motto applies to us, sorry.

DauntlessDavid wrote:

...It's good for customers to know how unresponsive your forum is.

I'll tell you, this is a fantastic community here. If you didn't get any responses it's because no one has any extra time to mentor you right now. I've personally done this in the past and I'm sure others have as well; it's just bad timing, I think.

As others have said, start posting specific questions and I'm willing to bet you'll get some great responses. Beyond that, try asking for help again in a couple of weeks; perhaps someone will respond this time.

Jeff

I didn't need a lot of support since I used LLBLGen because I could figure all out pretty well with all the documentation and manuals, but when I needed support their was a fast and personal response by message on the forum and email.

So do not shoot the bear before you are sure you are aiming at a bear. Otherwise you might hit your mother in law..

But seriously, do not judge too fast, this community does not deserve to be compared with government services.

(I do projects for governments and they pay well)

I've done plenty of US Federal work, and I agree, they pay great.

However, David's product is geared towards states and municipalities. These agencies want everything, and expect you to offer it nearly free because "it's the right thing to do." They're only second to churches as customers for earning little or no pay.

Perhaps it's rubbed off a bit onto you, David?

I don't disagree that for, what I've called the "twenty buck" guys in many previous posts, the product is a bit daunting. David, it looks (from your website's screenshots) like your product has evolved up from a VB6 app more than a decade ago. Perhaps you need a mental refresh, a conceptual shift into some (newly) basic ideas, i.e., three-tier architecture, user controls, pure object orientation of data (vs row-oriented approach), and more. You might take your research outside of LLBLGen for now, focus on a new, clean .NET approach, and come back later. I worry that your foundation of knowledge is not yet there, and no amount of mentoring in LLBLGen is going to get you ready.

Hope you understand. Good luck.

I think what has to be said has to be said. Let's all hope David gets up and running soon .