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# Posted on: 15-Dec-2005 03:42:20.  
http://www.ormapper.net/

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# Posted on: 15-Dec-2005 10:47:44.  
Ah, Paul's mapper. It's ok, though with all respect to Paul Wilson, it's not in the same league as LLBLGen Pro. Regular Smiley Though he's been rather quiet lately, I wonder what's he been up to Wink

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# Posted on: 15-Dec-2005 16:14:28.  
JimFoye wrote:
http://www.ormapper.net/

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Yea, there is also a new one called I think, Dataset Persistence by The Last Component. This one is interesting in that it is Dataset centric. I think it might catch on because I think the majority of folks use datasets rather than business objects as their primary DTO.

It looks interesting but I haven't drilled in to deep. The have video demos but I haven't watched them.

Frans, you really need some video demos for yours. Some video based traning would be nice too.

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pilotboba wrote:
JimFoye wrote:
http://www.ormapper.net/

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Yea, there is also a new one called I think, Dataset Persistence by The Last Component. This one is interesting in that it is Dataset centric. I think it might catch on because I think the majority of folks use datasets rather than business objects as their primary DTO.

The last component thing is actually a proper toolkit for what I've seen. There are some things to be left desired, as they focus only on 2.0 and I got into trouble with the code generator after renaming some fields.

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Frans, you really need some video demos for yours. Some video based traning would be nice too.

We do have video's but they've tucked away in the 'tutorials' section, and they need updating. Indeed, we need to share these video's more on the website in other parts as well. Good reminder, I'll put marketing at work on this Regular Smiley


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# Posted on: 16-Dec-2005 00:24:57.  
Well, seems like a bunch of ORMS were on the market, and then some of them died, and probably more will be created as the market takes off. But LLBLGenPro is a great product, and should have a bright future as long as Frans keeps improving it, which he always is. Regular Smiley
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# Posted on: 16-Dec-2005 11:13:50.  
JimFoye wrote:
Well, seems like a bunch of ORMS were on the market, and then some of them died, and probably more will be created as the market takes off. But LLBLGenPro is a great product, and should have a bright future as long as Frans keeps improving it, which he always is. Regular Smiley

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There are a couple which have a rather good marketshare, we're one of them, the rest is pretty small actually. There are a few companies which at the moment float on their VC capital, but I doubt they will stay afloat for long, unless the market really breaks open but I don't expect that before 2007 when Linq is released.

The Data access market has a lot of different angles, which is good, because it's then also possible for a lot of companies to stay in the market while their approach is totally different from a market leader's approach, for example model driven design, or pure DDD driven design... What will be interesting is how well genome and other expensive o/r mappers will do while nhibernate is there for free and doing the same. Another thing I'm interested in is what JBoss will do with nhibernate now they hired the main developer of nhibernate. The promised roadmap for the coming version still hasn't been published. It will be a breaking point for nhibernate because it now has to be driven by .NET focussed changes, not by what's its big brother is doing which can just be copied. IMHO having the main developer on the payroll of a java-focussed company isn't positive for nhibernate, because the MS developer world is in general thinking differently than the Java developer world. But we'll see. 2006 will be an interesting year, I'm sure Regular Smiley


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# Posted on: 30-Dec-2005 04:47:06.  
Otis wrote:

There are a couple which have a rather good marketshare, we're one of them, the rest is pretty small actually. There are a few companies which at the moment float on their VC capital, but I doubt they will stay afloat for long, unless the market really breaks open but I don't expect that before 2007 when Linq is released.


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# Posted on: 30-Dec-2005 09:14:34.  
bonder wrote:
Otis wrote:

There are a couple which have a rather good marketshare, we're one of them, the rest is pretty small actually. There are a few companies which at the moment float on their VC capital, but I doubt they will stay afloat for long, unless the market really breaks open but I don't expect that before 2007 when Linq is released.


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Heh no, they are part of a large firm which sells a big software product which has deklarit as a part of it. I was more thinking of the o/r mappers from germany and finland.


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